Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022

varkanoid · 15 May 2022 at 13:56

Angilion said:
If nvidia was to sell both at the same time it would have to sell the 3000 series at a much lower price than the 4000 series (especially if the 4000 series is significantly more powerful, as it's expected to be). Which would mean either selling the 3000 series at the same price it is now and pricing the 4000 series much higher or selling the 3000 series at much lower prices than it is now. I don't think either would work well for nvidia because the 3000 series cards would still be good enough to result in many people choosing them over a much more expensive 4000 series card. Maybe they'll rebrand 3000 series cards as lower model number 4000 series cards, maybe with a minor change or two so they can pretend it's not just a rebrand.

The reasoning behind it I believe is supply. Stocks of 4xxx cards are going to be small. Whereas stocks of 3xxx cards will still be in fairly good quantities now AIB's etc have caught up a bit.

arknor · 15 May 2022 at 23:44

JediFragger said:
I can see them trying it for 2/3 gens, getting nowhere then knocking it on the head. It's a tough *tough* market to be in.

so are CPU sales maybe they should just disband the company :rolleyes:

Gerard · 16 May 2022 at 15:45

ltron said:
Chris Hook and the cringy, wildly over optimistic 'poor Volta' marketing team

People always remember "Poor Volta" without remembering much about what actually happened with Volta. It was widely expected to become the next geforce, but never did. The reason for that according to Jensen was at the time It was simply too expensive to produce to plonk in the gaming market.

Not hard to imagine amd got wind of this beforehand and put that in as a sly dig. But people talk about the "poor Volta" dig like it actually appeared as a geforce card and was a big success. It appeared as titan v (a $3k card) and nothing else. So yeah considering that it was expected to be the next geforce card and never made it, the little dig makes a lot of sense.

Freddie1980 · 16 May 2022 at 15:57

Gerard said:
People always remember "Poor Volta" without remembering much about what actually happened with Volta. It was widely expected to become the next geforce, but never did. The reason for that according to Jensen was at the time It was simply too expensive to produce to plonk in the gaming market.

TBF, Vega was too expensive to produce for the gaming market but given were AMD were with GCN at the time it's all they had for the mid/high end and had no choice release it.

Gerard · 16 May 2022 at 16:00

Freddie1980 said:
TBF, Vega was too expensive to produce for the gaming market but given were AMD were with GCN at the time it's all they had for the mid/high end and had no choice release it.

Oh we all know vega was a compute card first pulling double duty but the situation at the time was funding being the issue.

Apparently titan v at 4k was only around 15% faster than a 1080ti anyway. Loaded down with 12 gigs of hbm as well. $$$

ltron · 16 May 2022 at 16:08

Gerard said:
People always remember "Poor Volta" without remembering much about what actually happened with Volta. It was widely expected to become the next geforce, but never did. The reason for that according to Jensen was at the time It was simply too expensive to produce to plonk in the gaming market.

Not hard to imagine amd got wind of this beforehand and put that in as a sly dig. But people talk about the "poor Volta" dig like it actually appeared as a geforce card and was a big success. It appeared as titan v (a $3k card) and nothing else. So yeah considering that it was expected to be the next geforce card and never made it, the little dig makes a lot of sense.

They couldn't even beat Pascal though, let alone Volta.

Gerard · 16 May 2022 at 16:16

ltron said:
They couldn't even beat Pascal though, let alone Volta.

Makes no difference, that was more of a company to company dig that people got carried away with without really knowing what was behind it. People speculated it meant volta was a flop, but in reality it was the cost factor that made nvidia keep it as a "prosumer" card. Nobody seems to remember that volta was never a geforce card, but everyone remembers the dig.

Vega, more was expected out of it for sure but it is what it is, all in the past now and onto better things.

StriderX · 21 May 2022 at 15:26

The window of opportunity for these GPU's seems to be very, very small after all these delays.

GAC · 21 May 2022 at 15:39

StriderX said:
The window of opportunity for these GPU's seems to be very, very small after all these delays.

depending on the price and the market when they finally ship. they could be a nice entry to low midlevel card if priced correctly. and yes thats a HUUUUUUUUUGGGEEE IF!

NinjaCool · 22 Jun 2022 at 09:21

The first independent gaming tests of Intel's Arc A380 desktop GPU is now out and it gets beaten by AMD's entry-level RX 6400 card.

Intel Arc A380 desktop GPU is outperformed by Radeon RX 6400 in first independent gaming tests - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arc A380 desktop GPU finally tested Today Intel lifts the review embargo on its first Arc Alchemist desktop graphics cards. Intel Arc A380 GPU test, Source: Shenmedounengce The reviews posted today focus on the GUNNIR A380 Photon graphics card, which is thus far the only custom card based...

videocardz.com

MCFC_ANDY · 22 Jun 2022 at 10:55

yep seen it this morning, not looking great, bettting drivers playing a big part in that atm

Harlequin · 22 Jun 2022 at 11:04

Looks like intels amazing drivers....

NZXT30 · 22 Jun 2022 at 11:05

From the looks of things top end ARC will be 3060 levels of performance and if it comes around Q4 it will be beaten by the 4050.

Radja has done it again!

Armageus · 22 Jun 2022 at 11:06

NinjaCool said:
The first independent gaming tests of Intel's Arc A380 desktop GPU is now out and it gets beaten by AMD's entry-level RX 6400 card.

Intel Arc A380 desktop GPU is outperformed by Radeon RX 6400 in first independent gaming tests - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arc A380 desktop GPU finally tested Today Intel lifts the review embargo on its first Arc Alchemist desktop graphics cards. Intel Arc A380 GPU test, Source: Shenmedounengce The reviews posted today focus on the GUNNIR A380 Photon graphics card, which is thus far the only custom card based...

videocardz.com

Seems fine for a first generation product that hasn't had a global launch. At least launching in China gives them the opportunity to get some product out in the open, tested and drivers improved before launching in other more critical markets.

Pricing will be everything of course, but as long as the performance of the larger models scale appropriately, at least the products are somewhere in the ballpark

MCFC_ANDY · 22 Jun 2022 at 11:20

looking at pricing, its on a par with the 6400 at around $150, i seriously doubt they get any decent sales amount at same price as 6400 for worse performance,
and its resizable bar mandatory for Arc, im sure i read someone you must have it enabled, or have i read that wrong

Freddie1980 · 22 Jun 2022 at 22:24

On par with a 6400 which is a bastardised version of much maligned 6500 based on a mobile part. Also the Intel card comes with an auxiliary 8pin power connector which is the equivalent of a 6600XT

arknor · 22 Jun 2022 at 22:40

Harlequin said:
Looks like intels amazing drivers....

every new GPU always gets huge boosts from drivers within the months of release, it's competing versus cards who already did this

Kaapstad · 23 Jun 2022 at 05:07

Gerard said:
People always remember "Poor Volta" without remembering much about what actually happened with Volta. It was widely expected to become the next geforce, but never did. The reason for that according to Jensen was at the time It was simply too expensive to produce to plonk in the gaming market.

Not hard to imagine amd got wind of this beforehand and put that in as a sly dig. But people talk about the "poor Volta" dig like it actually appeared as a geforce card and was a big success. It appeared as titan v (a $3k card) and nothing else. So yeah considering that it was expected to be the next geforce card and never made it, the little dig makes a lot of sense.

Nothing poor about Volta, I still have my Titan V and it is probably the best card I have ever bought.

Volta was never going to become the next geforce and most people realised that at the time.

The Titan V was released as a gaming card, I think Nvidia did it because they could even though the £2700 asking price was way too much for most practical uses.

Nvidia even gave away a few dozen very limited edition 32GB Titan V cards again for gaming to some lucky users.

Nvidia did upgrade the professional uses for the card with later driver updates.

Gaming performance is very close to the top Turing cards which makes the Titan V still relevant today.

The other strange thing about the Titan V is that it was the first card capable of doing Ray Tracing even though the performance is disappointing.

Grim5 · 23 Jun 2022 at 06:07

Freddie1980 said:
On par with a 6400 which is a bastardised version of much maligned 6500 based on a mobile part. Also the Intel card comes with an auxiliary 8pin power connector which is the equivalent of a 6600XT

Dunno why it has external power it doesn't need it, the a380 pulls power that could be entirely supplied through a 75w PCIE slot

NinjaCool · 23 Jun 2022 at 08:15

Intel's Arc A380 GPU is now out in China and it's currently more expensive compared to AMD's faster RX 6400 card in gaming.
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...slower-and-more-expensive-than-radeon-rx-6400

GPU driver updates will likely improve A380 performance over time, we just don't know by how much.
Its worth noting that Intel strongly suggests that ResizableBAR support is required for optimal performance.