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Intel Capital will invest £5.28m in Imagination (PowerVR)
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ok, first of all, learn to use the quote button, youve been asked several times by people on these forums, if you dont know where it is, this should help, if you still cant find it, please ask as its in your best interests to use it. 
simply highlight your text that you wish to quote then click that button, your posts are difficult to read when you do not use the tools provided that everyone else does on these forums.
actually what you put was
and at that time you had no asterisk leading to a line saying "not laptops" what you should have said was "portable gaming market" and "mobile phone market"
at the time i was asking for proof i wasnt aware you were talking about a 3 inch by 2 inch screen and as this is a forum about graphics cards and your mentioning of 3D mobile systems i like some others on here have assumed you were talking about laptops. it may very well be possible on a tiny screen to have AA without a cost, but not on a large scale like a laptop monitor.
funny you should mention the Ngage from nokia... i suggest you have a read of this as they are not planning on using powerVR in their mobile devices for much longer.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05/04/ati_nokia_multimedia_deal/
simply highlight your text that you wish to quote then click that button, your posts are difficult to read when you do not use the tools provided that everyone else does on these forums.
Pottsey said:
actually what you put was
and at that time you had no asterisk leading to a line saying "not laptops" what you should have said was "portable gaming market" and "mobile phone market"
Pottsey said:
at the time i was asking for proof i wasnt aware you were talking about a 3 inch by 2 inch screen and as this is a forum about graphics cards and your mentioning of 3D mobile systems i like some others on here have assumed you were talking about laptops. it may very well be possible on a tiny screen to have AA without a cost, but not on a large scale like a laptop monitor.
Pottsey said:
funny you should mention the Ngage from nokia... i suggest you have a read of this as they are not planning on using powerVR in their mobile devices for much longer.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05/04/ati_nokia_multimedia_deal/
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Tim Sweeny of Epic Games, Unreal fame, has stated that he blames the OEM market from holding games back.
Put another way, if OEM PCs had a decent graphics solution, then he could sell more games.
This looks like a step in the right direction, but I think intel hasnt invested enough to try to rival the graphics performance of ATI, Nvidia. It needs to get up to par for there to be a boost to the gaming industry; which would be good most people frequenting this forum.
Put another way, if OEM PCs had a decent graphics solution, then he could sell more games.
This looks like a step in the right direction, but I think intel hasnt invested enough to try to rival the graphics performance of ATI, Nvidia. It needs to get up to par for there to be a boost to the gaming industry; which would be good most people frequenting this forum.
“ok, first of all, learn to use the quote button, youve been asked several times by people on these forums,”
Not a chance, people around here need to be more tolerant of people’s posting/writing styles. I post in lots of forums and this is the only one I get complaints in. I even had a pole and most people said they prefer or it’s ok to post like I do.
“and at that time you had no asterisk leading to a line saying "not laptops"”
The asterisk was in from the start, I am always careful to say not laptops after some confusion a few years back with MBX. The only edit I made was spelling corrections and those links. The edit as well was only 12mins after I posted and hours before you posted. You just missed read what I typed or didn’t see the asterisk. Not a big deal we all make mistakes or miss something at times.
“i like some others on here have assumed you were talking about laptops. it may very well be possible on a tiny screen to have AA without a cost, but not on a large scale like a laptop monitor.”
It was clear I wasn’t talking about laptops and it’s very possible to have FSAA without cost on a laptop monitor or oven PC monitor. The same method applies to small screens and big. If you have free bandwidth you don’t have any speed loss from using multisampling FSAA.
It’s very easy to get Free FSAA on a Tile-based render. All PowerVR cards have had lots of free bandwidth so all PowerVR cards with multisampling don’t suffer any FPS loss for FSAA.
“funny you should mention the Ngage from nokia... i suggest you have a read of this as they are not planning on using powerVR in their mobile devices for much longer.”
Please re-read it. First they say “ATI may have scored a major design win” they where guessing, nothing was announced and something would have been by now. It turns out most of the deal was just software. Also they mention Imageon but why would Nokia swap to a slower and less feature rich chip like the Imageon?
Then there are the recent things like Nokia always use OMAP from TI whom just announced are staying with PowerVR for OMAP 3. Do you really think Nokia are going to dump TI and OMAP? I cannot see that partneship breaking up.
Back to Intel. Don’t forgot Imgtech is an IP company this 5mill is a lot of money for an IP company. Imgtech will not be producing any cards they just do the research and come up with the IP.
Not a chance, people around here need to be more tolerant of people’s posting/writing styles. I post in lots of forums and this is the only one I get complaints in. I even had a pole and most people said they prefer or it’s ok to post like I do.
“and at that time you had no asterisk leading to a line saying "not laptops"”
The asterisk was in from the start, I am always careful to say not laptops after some confusion a few years back with MBX. The only edit I made was spelling corrections and those links. The edit as well was only 12mins after I posted and hours before you posted. You just missed read what I typed or didn’t see the asterisk. Not a big deal we all make mistakes or miss something at times.
“i like some others on here have assumed you were talking about laptops. it may very well be possible on a tiny screen to have AA without a cost, but not on a large scale like a laptop monitor.”
It was clear I wasn’t talking about laptops and it’s very possible to have FSAA without cost on a laptop monitor or oven PC monitor. The same method applies to small screens and big. If you have free bandwidth you don’t have any speed loss from using multisampling FSAA.
It’s very easy to get Free FSAA on a Tile-based render. All PowerVR cards have had lots of free bandwidth so all PowerVR cards with multisampling don’t suffer any FPS loss for FSAA.
“funny you should mention the Ngage from nokia... i suggest you have a read of this as they are not planning on using powerVR in their mobile devices for much longer.”
Please re-read it. First they say “ATI may have scored a major design win” they where guessing, nothing was announced and something would have been by now. It turns out most of the deal was just software. Also they mention Imageon but why would Nokia swap to a slower and less feature rich chip like the Imageon?
Then there are the recent things like Nokia always use OMAP from TI whom just announced are staying with PowerVR for OMAP 3. Do you really think Nokia are going to dump TI and OMAP? I cannot see that partneship breaking up.
Back to Intel. Don’t forgot Imgtech is an IP company this 5mill is a lot of money for an IP company. Imgtech will not be producing any cards they just do the research and come up with the IP.
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I dont hold much hope for powerVR if u r their PR guy. What is an IP company? Is your webhost having problems, since your sig links are offline.
Got to say Id prefer it if u did use the proper quote button (references the names of people u quote and is easier on the eye), and learn how to format that into the chunks which u like to reply to.
Got to say Id prefer it if u did use the proper quote button (references the names of people u quote and is easier on the eye), and learn how to format that into the chunks which u like to reply to.
“What is an IP company? Is your webhost having problems, since your sig links are offline.”
An IP company (intellectual property) is a company that makes and sell IP. Basically they come up with a chip design or something other fancy technology and sell it to anyone who wants to buy it. In exchange Imgtech get royalties on things sold containing there technology (IP). It’s perfectly possible that one day ATI or Nvidia might licence some IP of Imgtech and use it. Highly unlikely mind you but possible.
For example the Kyro 2 was a PowerVR series 3 chip the IP was sold to a company called STMicro who produced, advertised and sold the Kyro II.
Hrrm I didn’t explain that very well. Imgtech come up with IP and licence it out to other companies to use. If that doesn’t explain it well enough someone else has to have a go.
As for those complaints about my quoteing I am just going but it down to a few fussy people. I had no complaints for the first 3 years of posting on this forum. Only this year. Also strangely no complaints in the other forums sections only 3Dcards.
As for the links in my sig there is some sort of problem. I don’t own or pay for the hosting so not sure what’s wrong.
An IP company (intellectual property) is a company that makes and sell IP. Basically they come up with a chip design or something other fancy technology and sell it to anyone who wants to buy it. In exchange Imgtech get royalties on things sold containing there technology (IP). It’s perfectly possible that one day ATI or Nvidia might licence some IP of Imgtech and use it. Highly unlikely mind you but possible.
For example the Kyro 2 was a PowerVR series 3 chip the IP was sold to a company called STMicro who produced, advertised and sold the Kyro II.
Hrrm I didn’t explain that very well. Imgtech come up with IP and licence it out to other companies to use. If that doesn’t explain it well enough someone else has to have a go.
As for those complaints about my quoteing I am just going but it down to a few fussy people. I had no complaints for the first 3 years of posting on this forum. Only this year. Also strangely no complaints in the other forums sections only 3Dcards.
As for the links in my sig there is some sort of problem. I don’t own or pay for the hosting so not sure what’s wrong.
Pottsey said:
as far as i can tell from your profile you havent been here for 3 years... if you had another profile it begs the question as to why you are not using it. furthermore i certainly havent seen you around in the time ive been here as i sure as hell would have moaned about your posting style, its messy and difficult to follow and just isnt needed nor wanted when you have the formatting tools at your fingertips...
your posts may be informative and useful, but the mulched up mess of bold italics and standard font on the backdrop of this forum just does not work and only serves to detract from your posts initial purpose.
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“if you had another profile it begs the question as to why you are not using it.”
The same reason everyone else stopped using there original accounts. The big forum wipe when all accounts got deleted. I did stop posting just before the wipe and PowerVR talks died down, a few years later I came back as found my account delted but PowerVR started to get interesting again and PPU’s are interesting so I signed back up.
The same reason everyone else stopped using there original accounts. The big forum wipe when all accounts got deleted. I did stop posting just before the wipe and PowerVR talks died down, a few years later I came back as found my account delted but PowerVR started to get interesting again and PPU’s are interesting so I signed back up.
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Pottsey said:
I have to say that I do look for and enjoy your posts, but find the quote+bold thing slightly confusing
Ok you asked nicely. I will not stop using quote bold but I will try to use it less often and add the names in of whom I am quoting. If you see me drifting back to using it every post give me a friendly nudge please.
Its not easy to break a 10+ year habit.
Its not easy to break a 10+ year habit.
Hey guys glad you sorted out the quote problem , but can we get back to forum subject?
who said PVR cant do FSAA without a performance hit >? on a pc?
PVR could do that over 6 years ago with the kyro2 you could get FSAA with no differance in your Fps !
i wish people would do some reserch before posting drivel ( like me, look at post below lol)
pottsey has been a great convayor of info on this forum , and is a great advocate of PVR and why not ?
i have always found it strange that 2 differant companies , Nvidia and Ati can develop 2 completely new cards to have them performing within 10% of each other?
Is there something here that anyone finds strange? i would have thought that rather than making bigger cores and hotter , more power hungrey cards they would do some sodding reserch and develop a new tech to make the cards ultra refined!
OR get there wallets out and pay PVR for there IP , and kick the other company where it hurts! in return blowing it out of the picture!
who said PVR cant do FSAA without a performance hit >? on a pc?
PVR could do that over 6 years ago with the kyro2 you could get FSAA with no differance in your Fps !
i wish people would do some reserch before posting drivel ( like me, look at post below lol)
pottsey has been a great convayor of info on this forum , and is a great advocate of PVR and why not ?
i have always found it strange that 2 differant companies , Nvidia and Ati can develop 2 completely new cards to have them performing within 10% of each other?
Is there something here that anyone finds strange? i would have thought that rather than making bigger cores and hotter , more power hungrey cards they would do some sodding reserch and develop a new tech to make the cards ultra refined!
OR get there wallets out and pay PVR for there IP , and kick the other company where it hurts! in return blowing it out of the picture!
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basically shot myself in the foot there..........runs and reads his kyro2 manual ..........lolPottsey said:
i stand corrected
and forgive me if i seemed a little harsh, we have had plenty of people who have been banned using a different account to try to get back on line here, hence i was a little scepticle.cleanbluesky said:
as i said earlier, he has good posts and its obvious to anyone that he is informed about this powerVR stuff, but it was getting burried in bold italics with quotation marks
AMD aquires ATI
Nvidia, sits on its hands
Intel forges an Aliance with Power VR
Going on that, I can only see 1 partnership coming out on top. Considering the most money is made from oem grade kit not the top dog super duper ****-hot, gear.
I wouldnt be surpised if AMD started making complete PC's, they only need to outsource for the RAM, PSU.
Nvidia, sits on its hands
Intel forges an Aliance with Power VR
Going on that, I can only see 1 partnership coming out on top. Considering the most money is made from oem grade kit not the top dog super duper ****-hot, gear.
I wouldnt be surpised if AMD started making complete PC's, they only need to outsource for the RAM, PSU.
Why all the snidey comments against Pottsey guys? I'd hazard a guess () that he's a fair bit more knowledgeable of the subject matter of this thread than any of you chipping in with a) irrelevent (and mainly rude, condescending) comments about quotes and b) displaying a total lack of intellect (or perhaps you're all just zealots?) by sweeping any kind of idea that there may be a "different way of doing things" compared to ATI or Nvidia.
This isn't the playground.
Back on track: This can only be good for the graphics market. £5m in research goes a long way in a small(ish) company... hopefully something will come of it, I'd love to see some leaps forward in graphics card design rather than throwing more and more GPU power and memory at the problem...
) that he's a fair bit more knowledgeable of the subject matter of this thread than any of you chipping in with a) irrelevent (and mainly rude, condescending) comments about quotes and b) displaying a total lack of intellect (or perhaps you're all just zealots?) by sweeping any kind of idea that there may be a "different way of doing things" compared to ATI or Nvidia.This isn't the playground.
Back on track: This can only be good for the graphics market. £5m in research goes a long way in a small(ish) company... hopefully something will come of it, I'd love to see some leaps forward in graphics card design rather than throwing more and more GPU power and memory at the problem...