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Yeah I got a couple of them as well - probably the mods hinting after what happened with the last thread like this.
 
Some interesting feedback. Personally speaking, if I was to buy into an Intel CPU that has anything above a 5% drop in performance after the so called fixes, then I have spent unwisely. I am not against AMD and in fact I am glad they have puilled back some share. Maybe when Intel does pull their finger out AMD will have learned that they can do it and try harder again. Healthy competition is generally a good thing. You wouldn't buy an AMG Mercedes and put remoulds on it. I am of the opinion that with Intel's might and skills, a new line of correctly working CPU's could already be launching, instead of wasting time bringing out the 8086 for example and then asking you to patch it.
 
Yeah I will hold my hands up to that one, beer, football and moderation are not to be mixed :)

Ha that's why sometimes I get banned for something I didn't do in the middle of the night...
Tsk the mods standards in this forum has gone pear shape :P

I wonder what you could have done if England hadn't scored on 91' and was a draw.... Ban everyone just because? :P
 
Some interesting feedback. Personally speaking, if I was to buy into an Intel CPU that has anything above a 5% drop in performance after the so called fixes, then I have spent unwisely. I am not against AMD and in fact I am glad they have puilled back some share. Maybe when Intel does pull their finger out AMD will have learned that they can do it and try harder again. Healthy competition is generally a good thing. You wouldn't buy an AMG Mercedes and put remoulds on it. I am of the opinion that with Intel's might and skills, a new line of correctly working CPU's could already be launching, instead of wasting time bringing out the 8086 for example and then asking you to patch it.

I would have thought the idea of "Intel's might and Skills" being all that would have been debunked by now, from scratch AMD made a CPU with the same IPC as Coffeelake, AMD's is secure while Coffeelake has more holes in it than a Teabag.

Intel's Interconnect Mesh makes it possible to build very high core count CPU's, yet AMD have already taken that 3 steps further, they can do it by stitching together much smaller dies making their solution much more efficient with even more CPU cores and with less loss in performance, as i said the IPC is inline with Coffeelake, Skylake-X is 10% down on that.

When i look at what these two technology giants are doing i see that Intel are rich and massive but AMD are far more innovative and agile, this is actually how its been in their history, Intel and AMD have had their equal share of stinkers, Pentium 4 / Bulldozer, but if it wasn't for AMD you wouldn't be running multicore CPU's at all, or a 64Bit architecture.
 
Ha that's why sometimes I get banned for something I didn't do in the middle of the night...
Tsk the mods standards in this forum has gone pear shape :p

I wonder what you could have done if England hadn't scored on 91' and was a draw.... Ban everyone just because? :p

Probably just banned mysef :)
 
I would have thought the idea of "Intel's might and Skills" being all that would have been debunked by now, from scratch AMD made a CPU with the same IPC as Coffeelake, AMD's is secure while Coffeelake has more holes in it than a Teabag.

Intel's Interconnect Mesh makes it possible to build very high core count CPU's, yet AMD have already taken that 3 steps further, they can do it by stitching together much smaller dies making their solution much more efficient with even more CPU cores and with less loss in performance, as i said the IPC is inline with Coffeelake, Skylake-X is 10% down on that.

When i look at what these two technology giants are doing i see that Intel are rich and massive but AMD are far more innovative and agile, this is actually how its been in their history, Intel and AMD have had their equal share of stinkers, Pentium 4 / Bulldozer, but if it wasn't for AMD you wouldn't be running multicore CPU's at all, or a 64Bit architecture.

Just to illustrate that point.

The 7800X with the same number of threads is less than 2% faster in average frame rates than the 2600, this with the 7800X running 10% higher clocks. (4.6Ghz vs 4.2Ghz)

On the 1% lows it gets even worse for the 7800X

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Illustrating what point? 7800X is Skylake, not Coffee Lake.

Ryzen 2 is ~3-5% behind on single core IPC vs Coffee Lake in the TechSpot testing at 4GHz.
 
Illustrating what point? 7800X is Skylake, not Coffee Lake.

Ryzen 2 is ~3-5% behind on single core IPC vs Coffee Lake in the TechSpot testing at 4GHz.

Using one singular thread yes, as you say "single core IPC", because of better multicore scaling the IPC is on par if not even slightly ahead, certainly clock for clock in Cinbenench Ryzen is a few % ahead in MT.

Tell me what in the real world outside of benchmarking applications uses one sole core? nothing.
 
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Using one singular thread yes, as you say "single core IPC", because of better multicore scaling the IPC is on par if not even slightly ahead, certainly clock for clock in Cinbenench Ryzen is a few % ahead in MT.

Tell me what in the real world outside of benchmarking applications uses one sole core? nothing.

With 24% higher clocks the 8700K scores 13% higher.

Not an exact science because of scaling but there is 12% IPC missing in that.

For the single threaded score, you add the 24% clock difference to the 2600 score of 180 and you get 223.2, so yes in single threaded probably a couple % behind, meh....

The only thing Intel have left is Clock speeds, watch AMD nullify that next.

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AMD need to sort out needing specific RAM to work properly, as well as higher clock speeds. Btw has anyone guessed where clocks should be for the next chips? Probably 4.0 - 4.2 base?
 
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