Intel Core i3 4340 Review – Beating AMD At Their Own Game

Deceptor · 19 Dec 2013 at 20:32

My bedroom PC has an i3-4130, I could probably set it to run on iGPU and do some "comparable" benchies but that chip has the HD4400 vs the HD4600 inside the chip in question - I have no idea what kinda difference there is between the two since I usually give 0 cares towards iGPUs

Make · 19 Dec 2013 at 20:52

One thing to remember, when saying the AMD is cheaper, is that you need a very, very expensive cooling system to run it at high clocks.

How many here do NOT run a custom loop at 4.8ghz?

Avenged7Fold · 19 Dec 2013 at 21:26

Make said:
One thing to remember, when saying the AMD is cheaper, is that you need a very, very expensive cooling system to run it at high clocks.

How many here do NOT run a custom loop at 4.8ghz?

Plenty of people in this thread doing that have posted in this thread:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18544198

I have clocked quite a few AMD 8 cores and 4.8 is achievable on air the vast majority of times with a decent air cooler or a refurbished AIO loop of the same cost. I use custom loops for myself because i am a watercooling enthusiast but the FX's i have clocked for other people have almost all been on air. 1.45V is about right for 4.8 on most chips and doesnt need anything special to keep it cool, i would be surprised if many people on this thread didn't own a cooler which couldn't handle that.

alex_123_fra · 19 Dec 2013 at 21:36

Make said:
One thing to remember, when saying the AMD is cheaper, is that you need a very, very expensive cooling system to run it at high clocks.

How many here do NOT run a custom loop at 4.8ghz?

Wrong. An H100 is perfectly capable with the correct fans. At 5GHz+ too.

I can't believe what I'm reading these last couple of days in the CPU subforum. Boom, what has gotten into you mate?

I have no allegiance to either Intel or AMD and I respect the positives of both brands, but the review posted here is utter horsecrap. What do you find surprising? That a Haswell locked CPU has a higher IPC than an FX Piledriver? Of course it does. This isn't news. But if anyone has read any bench results by any of us who actually have FX CPUs, you'd know that in well threaded games (e.g. BF4), the overclocked 8-core FX Piledrivers trade blows not just with the i5 Haswell, but with overclocked 4770k CPUs.

In less well threaded titles, the FX CPUs suffer compared to Intel. Again, no surprise there. The comparisons in this article though are idiotic and I can't help but think that you are just posting this sort of thing to bash AMD.

Lastly, I know tens of PC-philes. Not a single one of them is/was/will ever be worried about power consumption. If I want low power consumption, I'm happy with my laptops. On a desktop system, there is little point for the sake of £20-30 a year difference in bills.

JonSmith · 20 Dec 2013 at 10:27

Those game results look like he only put in a single stick of RAM for the AMD APUs.

ALXAndy · 20 Dec 2013 at 11:14

Make said:
One thing to remember, when saying the AMD is cheaper, is that you need a very, very expensive cooling system to run it at high clocks.

How many here do NOT run a custom loop at 4.8ghz?

I've got a 8320 at 4.3ghz on a Scythe Ninja on a £59 motherboard.

I paid £15 for the cooler. Temps are fine, 56c on full load with LinX. Arctic make the A30 which is about £27 and it would more than do the job up to about 4.5ghz I would say (I'm only limited by the board). But as Alex has said, a H100 is more than good enough for 5ghz and higher. I've had 5.3 out of my 8320 (not stress test stable) and I can get 5ghz for stressing and benching etc but there's no point running the rig right on the temp barriers.

Uncle_Gravy · 20 Dec 2013 at 11:19

Because of that evil looking baby (I pooped a little) You've now put me off AMD, good job

ALXAndy · 20 Dec 2013 at 11:33

It's my Living dead doll

they only made 500 of each

Uncle_Gravy · 20 Dec 2013 at 12:11

Noooooooooooooo My eyes, Evil AMD baby, save me Intel *Cries endlessly in the shower*

ALXAndy · 20 Dec 2013 at 12:25

he's guarding my 670s

bru · 20 Dec 2013 at 12:45

alex_123_fra said:
Wrong. An H100 is perfectly capable with the correct fans. At 5GHz+ too.

OK maybe I'm missing something are you saying you don't need an expensive cooling solution, a £100 all in one cooler will do the job, you do realise that the CPU itself is only £120.

ALXAndy said:
I've got a 8320 at 4.3ghz on a Scythe Ninja on a £59 motherboard.
I paid £15 for the cooler.

£15 wow isn't it normally about £45?

ALXAndy said:
It's my Living dead doll they only made 500 of each

I'm not sure whats worse, the fact you had it inside your PC, or the admittance that you play with dolls...

ALXAndy · 20 Dec 2013 at 12:49

bru said:
OK maybe I'm missing something are you saying you don't need an expensive cooling solution, a £100 all in one cooler will do the job, you do realise that the CPU itself is only £120.

Only for the past six months they've been readily available for £39. They're sold out now but there are plenty of air coolers for around £30 that will do the job admirably

bru said:
£15 wow isn't it normally about £45?

No idea tbh. Got it from a classified forum. Bit tech IIRC.

bru said:
I'm not sure whats worse, the fact you had it inside your PC, or the admittance that you play with dolls...

hah !

It's my latest mascot. I've got a collection of bears and other characters (Roland Rat, Ernie from Sessame St for example)

alex_123_fra · 20 Dec 2013 at 13:14

bru said:
OK maybe I'm missing something are you saying you don't need an expensive cooling solution, a £100 all in one cooler will do the job, you do realise that the CPU itself is only £120.

Yes, refurbed H100s were available for <£40 for some time as Andy says. They have been replaced by the H100i (and H110). Second hand they go for pretty low prices and also a decent air cooler in the £50-60 region would be more than enough.

Yes I realise the CPU is that price. I have one.

drunkenmaster · 20 Dec 2013 at 13:52

Make said:
One thing to remember, when saying the AMD is cheaper, is that you need a very, very expensive cooling system to run it at high clocks.

How many here do NOT run a custom loop at 4.8ghz?

bru said:
OK maybe I'm missing something are you saying you don't need an expensive cooling solution, a £100 all in one cooler will do the job, you do realise that the CPU itself is only £120.

They were mostly responding to a guy insisting that to get to 4.8Ghz requires a very expensive custom loop, in which you move from a £100 new H100 to a £60 pump, £40 res, £50-80 rad, £50 waterblock, £10 tubing, £5 coolant of some type £10+ barbs/£25+ compression fittings.....

On the cooling scale, £20-50 is pretty decent, high end air is £50-70 maybe, AIO water is £40-100, and high end custom loops start at £250 and go up to £1000.

So yeah, £100 closer to the cheap end of cooling, and a H100 is way more than enough for a single cpu. A £30-60 air or water cooling would do a 8320 at 4.8Ghz pretty easily. Personally when cooling ranges from £15 to 1000, I'd say sub £50 is really cheap, £50-100 is fairly cheap, £250-say 400 is expensive and £400-1000 is "very, very expensive cooling".

Insisting that you have to have £250+ custom water loops to achieve this is ridiculous.

Boomstick777 · 20 Dec 2013 at 13:53

That baby is terrifying !

Uncle_Gravy · 20 Dec 2013 at 14:05

Boomstick777 said:
That baby is terrifying !

Thank you!

OLDPHART · 20 Dec 2013 at 15:12

LoL, I just love it when the AMD Vs Intel and the clans start swinging there hand bags.

MooMoo444 · 20 Dec 2013 at 15:24

Intel have nice Gucci handbags and AMD have cheap Aldi ones, though :cool:

Uncle_Gravy · 20 Dec 2013 at 15:35

MooMoo444 said:
Intel have nice Gucci handbags and AMD have cheap Aldi ones, though

Bit mean, At least give them george, they ain't that bad

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David Bisset · 20 Dec 2013 at 15:36

JonSmith said:
Those game results look like he only put in a single stick of RAM for the AMD APUs.

That would certainly have a pretty big impact.