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Intel Core i3 4340 Review – Beating AMD At Their Own Game

This review contradicts every other one out there by huge amounts, it looks suspiciously like blatant Internet trolling, really, should not be given any attention, all it does is miss-inform people and they end up wasting their hard earned cash on a CPU that will not work well for them at all when the same money gets you much better performance with the one they are trolling.

This sort of apparent misinformation should never be given the time of day, let alone cited as fact, the people who end up wronged are people speeding their own money on the wrong product as a result of this nonsense.

With the utmost respect, Your posted review looks very bogus, Boomstick. :)

PS:, i use an Intel CPU in my Main rig, that includes Gaming. this review is insane.


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This review contradicts every other one out there by huge amounts, it looks suspiciously like blatant Internet trolling, really, should not be given any attention, all it does is miss-inform people and they end up wasting their hard earned cash on a CPU that will not work well for them at all when the same money gets you much better performance with the one they are trolling.

This sort of apparent misinformation should never be given the time of day, let alone cited as fact, the people who end up wronged are people speeding their own money on the wrong product as a result of this nonsense.

With the utmost respect, Your posted review looks very bogus, Boomstick. :)

Here's another review bumhug this time from Xbitlabs.com, the i3 putting up a great fight against the FX 8350 in a lot of games and benchys. I bet peeps will say this one is bogus aswell :p,

Oh well, I'll keep keeping it real son :D

At less the half the power use, a dual core Intel i3 taking on an 8 core AMD FX, very impressive architecture.

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130.html
 
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The problem with Humbugs links is that they're the i3 sandy's.
The one in the OP's going to be around 20% faster if not more.

Look at the IGP results though,the A10 is beating the HD4400 by a decent margin.

Also,look at the CPU results too.Batman:Arkham Origins and Civ5 load two to threads heavily. Hitman and Metro2033 thread quite well and cannot beat an FX6350. The review contradicts the first one where the Core i3 CPUs are thrashing the FX6300 in multi-threaded games.

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Also Martini1991,the older GameGPU reviews have the Core i5 2500K,and the Xbitslab one a Core i5 3350P. Hence,they should be similar performance,due to the IPC improvements of IB.

The Haswell Core i3 CPUs cannot beat a Core i5 3350P in all situations,and by extension that would mean a Core i5 2500K. Any situation an FX6300 matches a Core i5 2500K,is a situation where a Haswell Core i3 cannot really compete. All those situations are highly multi-threaded games.
 
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My point was more directed at you can't take an i3 Sandy and try and say "That's how it'll look" when the CPU in question is going to be quite a chunk faster.

Irrelevant of the review in the OP (Which I've already agreed with about the shady results)
 
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Sorry to repeat myself but I'll say it again. Boomstick given the higher IPC of the Haswells, it still surprises/impresses you that the i3 has decent performance in poorly threaded games and a load of fairly irrelevant synthetic system benches?

So apart from the fact that the i3s are locked and hence this is literally all they can give (whereas the FX chips can overclock hugely), in multithreaded applications and games the FX CPUs will easily surpass the i3. Also, anyone who wants to upgrade to even a remotely high end GPU when on an i3 system will likely be heavily bottlenecked.

Re: power, again, who cares? Maybe 0.01% of people.
 
My point was more directed at you can't take an i3 Sandy and try and say "That's how it'll look" when the CPU in question is going to be quite a chunk faster.

Irrelevant of the review in the OP (Which I've already somewhat agreed with about the shady results)

Well you can approximately. If a Haswell Core i3 cannot beat a Core i5 3350P,then it cannot beat a Core i5 2500K(10% higher clockspeeds which negates the IPC advantage). In games like Crysis3 and BF4 the FX6300/FX6350 are more Core i5 level.

Also,look at the Core i3 4130 results against the Core i3 3220 and Core i3 3250 results. It is no more than around 10% faster. GameGPU also indicates the same thing regarding a Haswell Core i3 and the SB one they use. This is not suprising as the SB and IB Core i3 CPUs were quite close in performance. So add 10% to a IB Core i3 result and you can gauge performance in older reviews against the FX6300 and FX6350.

Edit!!

It seems the OP did not link to productivity software results:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130_6.html#sect0

However,they link to Sysmark results.

FX6350 thrashes the Core i3 and is Core i5 level. Power consumption was measured sing LinX. Yawn.

Also about Sysmark:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...y-in-Tablets&p=5150663&viewfull=1#post5150663

Shervin Kheradpir, General Manager of Intel's Performance Benchmarking and Analysis Group and founding President of Bapco

Bapco offices are located on an Intel site.
 
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The 4340 is over 15% higher clock speed than the i3 2100 in the charts, and IPC's about 10% difference (Ignoring instruction sets which may add more) so that's at least 25% faster :confused:
 
All they've used is waste and WoT.

Both of which seem to give a pitiful improvement from the i3 2100 to the i3 4330. Which is.... Surprising.
 
All they've used is waste and WoT.

Both of which seem to give a pitiful improvement from the i3 2100 to the i3 4330. Which is.... Surprising.

The thing is though,it was the same with the SB and IB Core i3 and Pentium CPUs. Even though technically each core has the same IPC as the equivalent Core i5 ones,you would find even with similar clockspeeds,the Core i5 CPUs would still be ahead in some lightly threaded games.

Wasteland uses three threads,so it does mean HT is coming into play,which is why the Core i5 is faster. WoT is closer to a Core i5 as only one to two threads are heavily loaded.
 
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It is really annoying that the reviews are all over the place. Would be great if Overclockers benched each cpu and done their own graph, or even people on the forums should. No more 'X is better than Y' and then 19 pages of other people explaining why.
 
Jesus christ, Boom keeps banging on about system power while ignoring completely what the system is doing in the system power consumption tests. In the first review the system power test was done in Cinebench, the ONE test they used which used all 8 cores and the FX 8350 was almost 100% faster than the i3 Haswell.

It does NOT say it uses that much more power in gaming, it will be more but should be by a significantly smaller margin. In the second review Boom showed which again he claims it uses twice the power, the power test is using a test which uses 8 threads.

Boom failed to mention that they used unrealistic low res in the MOST CPU LIMITED GAMES THEY COULD FIND(they state this specifically), with the express intention of trying to highlight any differences. Their second test, 1080p high res, showed incredibly little difference across all cpu's except in Civ 5(both crap and still offering 75fps on the fx8350), and was designed to reflect actual real world usage. Which says, an i3, i5 fx 4/6/8 cores made very little difference in the vast majority of situations. You can see from hundreds of other reviews that this stretches to i7's as well, look at the humbug benchmarks , we have one game where a £600 intel hexcore and an AMD quad core, and everything in between means almost no difference.

Two games where CPU makes a noticeable difference, in both the FX8350 beats the 2600k(8 threads) and the 4670k(haswell 4 thread) and is close to the 4770k(haswell 8 thread) where the i3's are lagging MILES behind Intel quad cores. This is real world, where if you go by the newest games pushing the boundaries, 4-8 cores means massive massive performance improvements over 2 cores and that AMD 8 cores effectively used are extremely competitive in most newer games because these games are actually using more of the cores.

Boom can't seem to understand, that in a game with 2 threads there is NO REASON at all a 8, 16, 482 core cpu should be faster. It's why a 4 core and 4 core 8 thread version of the same Haswell architecture is basically no faster either.

Fact of the matter is you could have passed along fine in gaming with 2 cores for most of the past 5 years, the past 2 years maybe have started to have a higher percentage of games(but still relatively small) which really use 3-4 cores effectively and a very low percentage of games that could use 8 cores/threads effectively. The past year this is changing further, and in the next 8 years 8 cores will show a bigger and bigger difference.

An i3 is a great chip, it's a great architecture, it's the same architecture (suprising only to Boomstick apparently) as the haswell i5 and i7, so really only an ignorant person would reasonably expect it to be much slower. In 2 thread situations an i3 SHOULD match a FX8350, and a fx 6300, and a i5 and an i7. Move to 4 threads and the i3 gets left behind, move to 8 threads and the fx6300/i5 get left behind, move to 8 threads and there are only two chips left performing great.

Even BF4 isn't great with 8 cores, it certainly allows the FX8350 to beat a Haswell i5, but this is as much to do with optimising for AMD chips as 8 cores, because it's really not using 8 cores effectively.

in 18 months time every game released will be well optimised to use 8 cores and compiled with all the AMD performance flags.

Boom, post this thread again in 2 years and see how the i3 is showing vs a fx8350 in the games out then....


The problem with Humbugs links is that they're the i3 sandy's. The one in the OP's going to be around 20% faster if not more.

As for humbugs links showing an i3 sandy, they also show an i7 Haswell...... NOT significantly beating the FX8350, the first game he showed wouldn't improve an iota for the i3 haswell as the game is so cpu limited anyway, the other two would improve but the i3 is SO far behind Intel quads it would still lag miles behind.
 
That's two separate reviews sites, both putting the dual core i3 ahead of the FX 8350 in a lot of different things. So is Xbitlabs not trustworthy now?

Thing is even with that it's not enough for the nay Sayers, it's the most bias peeps making the most noise in the thread. Obviously I was gonna labelled a troll for putting this thread up, but it was more appreciating how good Intel chips are. Being non biased, you can see how impressive this is for an Intel i3, even the Haswell Pentiums kick ass, and coming in at under £50 are bargains. There's no need for people to get defensive. It just shows it's time for AMD to make improvement in IPC and power consumption, if they don't we could well see dual core Celeron's from Broadwell taking on the FX piledriver chips at the end of next year. Well unless Mantle gives the 8 cores the edge (:
 
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WoT doesn't even use two threads, it's pretty much 100% single threaded.

The only benefit you get from more than two cores when playing it is through the APIs which are somewhat threaded and background system tasks. The game itself has absolutely awful performance for what it is.
 
Broom mate, chill out my boy, you keep going on about performance vs power.
But you're not looking at the full picture, all cores loaded show the differences between power consumption of the intel vs amd, but its not showing the output performance relative to that power consumption. 1 example put the i3 haswell on a handbrake conversion vs the fx4 fx6 or fx8 and compare workload time vs power.
 
Boomstick, i have a rig with a GTX 670 spare and £180 to spend on a Motherboard and CPU for my Nephew. he plays the latest games online.

I know from my own experience with a BloomField i7 @ 3.9Ghz on a similar performing GPU i'm pulling upto 70% on each CPU thread in games like Crysis 3 and BF4, thats 8 threads 70%.

Spec me a Motherboard and CPU combo.







 
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Im pretty damn happy with my 8350 and no reason to change or upgrade anytime soon, infact i can only see future games being better on it if they can support 8 cores
 
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