Intel Core i7-11700K beats Ryzen 9 5950X by 8% in Geekbench 5 single-core benchmark

r22snapper · 31 Dec 2020 at 17:57

MartinPrince said:
It really is quite an obvious move from Intel. They really can't compete in the multi-core, multi-threaded realm so why bother. That crown is clearly Ryzen's and has been for some time. It's better to stay where they can at least be competitive and that is in non fully multithread games and apps.

Therefore is is better to drop the 2 cores and push as much as they can into getting the most out of 8 cores, especially as they're still ringing the last drops out of the same node.

They should knock a Core 2 Duo out at 7 GHz, Dave would buy one.

Mr. Sunshine · 31 Dec 2020 at 18:10

5800X with PBO/CO

Not impressed by Intel. They have caught up but that's it. Their chips are power hogs, some leaked specs are saying 2nd stage power limit is rated at 250W. You go and try to OC, if they have head room and you'll be hitting 300w... plus they have 3-4x the R&D budget than AMD and cant get off 14nm. Besides AMD will do refresh later this year Warhol Zen 3 as a stop off before going to Zen 4 and new DDR5 platform.

FrankJH · 31 Dec 2020 at 19:14

r22snapper said:
This is a good point. I have been really impressed with my Surface Pro X, admittedly replacing a Surface Pro 4 but ARM is surely the future for most laptops.

I think a few youtubers were claiming there are still some general windows glitches now and again on ARM - but certainly something to keep an eye on for gen 2/3 in the next year or so

Ive had a surface for a few years and love it, but really fascinated with the ARM developements

Grim5 · 31 Dec 2020 at 19:54

Dave2150 said:
More good news!

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-11900k-rocket-lake-s-cpu-z-benchmark-score-leaks

Really nice stock ST score, this is going to dominate in games, especially if it can overclock!

Probably high power consumption, though as with Nvidia's 3000 series, people don't care as long as the performance is there

P.S. Imagine the performance when/if Intel eventually release a 10nm/7nm CPU.... Will literally make Ryzen look like Bulldozer again Though perhaps they'll be on 14nm for the next 10 years, who knows LOL

people do care, I care - Nvidia is forcing me to look into custom water loop because the heat is too much

random_matt · 31 Dec 2020 at 20:53

Really? Hammering on about crummy single core scores. Also, an eight core, nah intel sucks.

G J · 1 Jan 2021 at 00:41

Oh my some of the comments are quite salty.

It all depends on what the performance is like and the pricing as this may be another gen a high clocking 8/9 K series CPU owner can pass on.

philo-sofa · 1 Jan 2021 at 03:40

Too early to tell, but it could keep Intel competitive (power draw aside). Thats good for enthusiasts.

Still, Intel need a new core design and to fix up their process node shrinks. Their designs can’t be too competitive in the sever space, and they’re getting a lot fewer chips per wafer.

Troezar · 1 Jan 2021 at 06:01

Grim5 said:
people do care, I care - Nvidia is forcing me to look into custom water loop because the heat is too much

A very underrated point. I've had PC's that put out so much heat I had to limit how long I could game as the room temp would hit 30°C. If custom water is added the hardware is cooler but all that heat gets pumped into the room. I think the average buyer will take a slight performance hit for less power and heat.

Interestingly it also looks like AMD is performing better in newer games Vs older titles. I think in all these discussions it is sometimes forgotten that whilst Intel will inevitably improve so is AMD and they have a much more competent leader. The people in charge are the key factor in all of this.

rustyk21 · 1 Jan 2021 at 12:12

Dave2150 said:
More good news!

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-11900k-rocket-lake-s-cpu-z-benchmark-score-leaks

Really nice stock ST score, this is going to dominate in games, especially if it can overclock!

Probably high power consumption, though as with Nvidia's 3000 series, people don't care as long as the performance is there

P.S. Imagine the performance when/if Intel eventually release a 10nm/7nm CPU.... Will literally make Ryzen look like Bulldozer again Though perhaps they'll be on 14nm for the next 10 years, who knows LOL

I've been keeping an eye on this too, thanks for starting the thread. Will be interesting to see where we are generally with price/availability/performance when this family of CPUs are eventually released.
Also, some of the comments on here are wierd. People taking what you're saying out of context and just generally mocking Intel. It's all a bit sad really.

I'll just wait and see what happens nearer the time. I was going to upgrade to Zen 3 but AMD pushed the price up and as I'm primarily a gamer, the law of dimishing returns kicked in so I decided to wait until at least 2nd Quarter and better availability.

smilingcrow · 1 Jan 2021 at 12:14

Happy New Year to all you AMD owners and to the few people struggling on valiantly with an Intel chip that can barely do long multiplication.

(Joke)

rustyk21 · 1 Jan 2021 at 12:22

Minstadave said:
Its a pretty small niche to chase. Hopefilly there's very few people daft enough to buy the "fastest gaming CPU" nonsense when the price is half the cores and twice the power usage and the advantage is only there in 1080P benches with a powerful GPU.

I don't know why you keep repeating this myth about 1080p? With the latest Gen (even previous gen) graphics cards, the CPU can bottleneck higher resolutions than that. Also, the CPU can have an impact on mininum framerates and frametime consistency all the way up to 4k.
On top of that, what's wrong with someone wanting the fastest gaming cpu (whether thant be Intel or AMD) at any given point in time? Erm, what if they basically just use their pc for gaming and browsing? If you don't buy the right CPU for your requirements you can end up spending a lot more on extra cores which spend most of their time doing nothing.

Single core performance is still extremely for gaming relevant and will be for a *long* time.

rustyk21 · 1 Jan 2021 at 12:23

smilingcrow said:
Happy New Year to all you AMD owners and to the few people struggling on valiantly with an Intel chip that can barely do long multiplication. (Joke)

Happy new year to you (and everyone else too)

MasterOC · 1 Jan 2021 at 12:26

FrankJH said:
I think a few youtubers were claiming there are still some general windows glitches now and again on ARM - but certainly something to keep an eye on for gen 2/3 in the next year or so

Ive had a surface for a few years and love it, but really fascinated with the ARM developements

In my experience thats just Windows being Windows. There's going to be some issues for sure, but don't think its any more an issue on arm then x86

Minstadave · 1 Jan 2021 at 14:05

rustyk21 said:
I don't know why you keep repeating this myth about 1080p? With the latest Gen (even previous gen) graphics cards, the CPU can bottleneck higher resolutions than that. Also, the CPU can have an impact on mininum framerates and frametime consistency all the way up to 4k.
On top of that, what's wrong with someone wanting the fastest gaming cpu (whether thant be Intel or AMD) at any given point in time? Erm, what if they basically just use their pc for gaming and browsing? If you don't buy the right CPU for your requirements you can end up spending a lot more on extra cores which spend most of their time doing nothing.

Single core performance is still extremely for gaming relevant and will be for a *long* time.

This is why I say that (2080Ti benches):

Yes a 3080 or a 3090 will make the difference a little bigger. Yes the mins will be a bit better. Yes some individual titles show more of a difference.

Overall though at 1440P and 4K you'd he hard pushed to notice any difference from one CPU to another unless you're scraping the barrel.

This is why Intel claiming a marginal lead at the cost of sacrificing cores and throwing power limits out the window is utterly boring.

MartinPrince · 1 Jan 2021 at 14:51

Minstadave said:
This is why I say that (2080Ti benches):

how to check screen resolution

Yes a 3080 or a 3090 will make the difference a little bigger. Yes the mins will be a bit better. Yes some individual titles show more of a difference.

Overall though at 1440P and 4K you'd he hard pushed to notice any difference from one CPU to another unless you're scraping the barrel.

This is why Intel claiming a marginal lead at the cost of sacrificing cores and throwing power limits out the window is utterly boring.

Of course it is clear to the non blinkered that Intel are really grasping at straws and trying their utmost to maintain their relevancy. We should see in due course whether they really are, though in the meantime I will take thread topics like this and pre-availability hype with a healthy dose of NaCl.

KungFuSpaghetti · 1 Jan 2021 at 15:01

Oyeee said:
How come? AMD has increased their prices and I don't certainly feel that way. Seems like AMD will screw over the customer any chance they get

Exactly this, anyone that shows brand loyalty is an idiot imo. Neither company gives a hoot, they want your cash regardless and their loyalty lies with their share holders.

The main key difference for a lot of folk is that if you are already on ryzen then you have or have had a great upgrade path. I'll have had 3 generations of CPU on one motherboard by the time I'm done. If my CPU performs a few fps higher or lower than an Intel I could care less, the differences are negligible.

MartinPrince · 1 Jan 2021 at 15:10

Robert896r1 said:
@MartinPrince let me know when you get yours. So far my 9900k has handled tuned 5800x’s in anything gaming related outside of some cache happy things like cs:go. I’ll be getting a 11900k so it’ll be interesting to test against someone with a tuned system on zen3. Just have to wait for z590 apex.

Will do. I'm not sure whether to get the 5800X or 5900X. I'm thinking the 5800X should be potentially be the best to tune, with it's unified CCX. 5Ghz all core seems achievable on that which would also be a closer comparison to my 9700K.

Journey · 1 Jan 2021 at 15:44

MartinPrince said:
I will take thread topics like this and pre-availability hype with a healthy dose of NaCl.

Lets hope Intel's newest parts don't sink like a Pb balloon then!

rustyk21 · 1 Jan 2021 at 16:22

Minstadave said:
This is why I say that (2080Ti benches):

Yes a 3080 or a 3090 will make the difference a little bigger. Yes the mins will be a bit better. Yes some individual titles show more of a difference.

Overall though at 1440P and 4K you'd he hard pushed to notice any difference from one CPU to another unless you're scraping the barrel.

This is why Intel claiming a marginal lead at the cost of sacrificing cores and throwing power limits out the window is utterly boring.

Sorry on my phone so easier to quote the whole thing.

But, aren't they average framerates? Did you miss the bit where I talked about minimum framerates and frame time consistency?

And actually, intel aren't claiming anything. These are just leaked benchmarks.

Jimmy Weirdarms · 1 Jan 2021 at 17:01

rustyk21 said:
On top of that, what's wrong with someone wanting the fastest gaming cpu

Nothing, but when the metric used to measure that is "at 1080p with everything turned to minimum we can get 280FPS instead to the competition's 270" it's pretty meaningless. Intel have been (ab)using these sorts of figures to claim a lead for a while now, and it's pretty sad. It's not really a myth, these are the sorts of settings they were using to show that they were better, because it was all they had left.

We all want them to do better, we all want competition in the market, but honest competition rather than "can squeeze out 1% more in unrealistic benchmarks, but is actually worse in every other situation"