The 9800X3D is not only a gaming cpu - it also does very well on productivity workloads, way better than the 7800X3D I had. Also I can't confirm the 7800X3D running cooler. It does consume less power but it runs hotter at 60 Watt power draw than the 9800X3D at 100 Watt power draw.
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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Soldato
That's not true.
It is only the best gaming CPU within certain limits. It's an E-Sports CPU. But my entire point is, that I don't think that's "real world" for many people.
For me - I do not play at 1080P, I do not require very high frame rates, and I will no doubt replace the CPU well before my PC becomes CPU bound, no matter what CPU I choose.
And my point is that the reviewers tend to be presenting the 9800X3D as the only CPU for gamers, and I don't think it is at all. And honestly, it's pretty hilarious that the option you mention is the 7800X3D, which is basically the same.
There are negative sides to the 9800X3D but no one is paying attention to those.
You see, I would have just bought the 15th gen from intel, but intel basically producing a CPU that is so bad at gaming has really messed that plan up. But now AMD is completely unknown to me, and yet the reviewers aren't providing what need to know. I don't just need to know whether AMD is better than intel, I need to know whether one AMD CPU is more suitable for me than some other AMD CPU. And I am finding that information really difficult to find, because all I keep getting is the 9800X3D is the best and you shouldn't consider anything else.
What information regarding the 9800X3D do you need?
Idle power consumption is still not under control. Right now my PC sits at 120 Watt writing this, watching a YouTube video and having multiple IDEs open. That's not idle but low load scenario, though.
The iGPU is not good, Intel is far superior in that aspect, especially the media engine.
Soldato
Keep your current CPU
Soldato
I'm waiting to see what intel do with the 15th gen, but it's quite likely I will buy a 9800X3D. I am not at all sure it's the right CPU for me, I think it's more likely that a different AMD would be right for me, but in the absence of information...
Caporegime
9950X3D is out shortly and then you'll have a slew of comparisons of 9800/9900/9950X3D.
Soldato
True! That will be very interesting.
Good grief.
Why have you ignored the other options I've given, and focussed on the 7800X3D, then erroneously said it's the same when I gave a pretty good reason why it's not right there in my post?
How do you know 15th gen is so bad if the datasets presented to you are identical to the ones provided for the 9800X3D?
Why have you ignored the part where I pointed out nearly every reviewer has compared other Zen 5, 4 and 3 CPUs to the 9800X3D?
The only misrepresentation I've seen lately is from your posts.
If the Core Ultra series was any good, there would be no arguments over testing methods. Just the same as the Bulldozer days when all the AMD fans were moaning about reviewers. Honestly, if you're claiming reviewer bias (and this goes for people on here, Facebook, reddit etc), then it's 99% likely the bias lies with you.
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Caporegime
If you want to know what CPU is best for you, the place to go is articles like Best CPU for Gaming in 2025 from Tom's Hardware; or better yet one of the many articles and videos on how to spec up a PC to a particular price point. A review article focusing on a particular CPU is there to tell you how that CPU performs and how it compares primarily to other CPUs in the same segment. It's not there to tell you whether to spend £100 or £500 on a CPU in the first place.
Soldato
No idea what you want to see based on what you've typed. The 9800x3D is beat CPU for gaming at any resolution as long as you've got at least a mid level GPU to run it and you want best performance.
If you are looking at price to performance then take a look at 9700x at £290. Compared to the current price of the 9800x3D at £529, you'll be loosing 30% performance but course cost to price is better. It is similar performance to 14700k/14900k but gives option to get an x3D chip if you need later. All assuming this is about gaming.
This, if one has a lot of trouble deciding on what CPU to get sometimes the answer is to keep what you have.
A set of benchmarks that exclusively show the 9800X3D as the worst CPU. Bonus points if the top CPU is Intel.
The Ryzen 7800X3D would be a pretty decent choice, compared to CPUs like the Ryzen 7700X or 7700.
But because it’s no longer affordable, it’s probably better for most people to just get a cheaper AM5 CPU, at least until Zen 6 CPUs are available.
Any 6 or 8 core AM5 CPU ought to be enough for most games (excluding the APU type products with less CPU cache), the Ryzen 7700 is decent for the money, but can generally only be bought from China (at a good price).
It’s a different story for people on the LGA1700 platform, and the Arrow Lake platform has barely got going. Arrow Lake feels like a test series for the new platform, and I think will be replaced within a year.
In general, it seems like a bad time to buy a CPU, with more 3nm CPUs on the way, with 2nm CPUs on the horizon.
But because it’s no longer affordable, it’s probably better for most people to just get a cheaper AM5 CPU, at least until Zen 6 CPUs are available.
Any 6 or 8 core AM5 CPU ought to be enough for most games (excluding the APU type products with less CPU cache), the Ryzen 7700 is decent for the money, but can generally only be bought from China (at a good price).
It’s a different story for people on the LGA1700 platform, and the Arrow Lake platform has barely got going. Arrow Lake feels like a test series for the new platform, and I think will be replaced within a year.
In general, it seems like a bad time to buy a CPU, with more 3nm CPUs on the way, with 2nm CPUs on the horizon.
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Caporegime
i've owned Ryzen CPU's for 8 years now, i've had the 5800X for over 4 years, its been solid, i've never had to do anything to it since installing it, its never put a foot wrong and the performance is still pretty good, its so good a Core Ultra 245K struggles to keep up with it....
I think some people need to get over their fear of owning AMD, just about everyone else has..... the overwhelming majority of the DIY market can't be wrong.
I think some people need to get over their fear of owning AMD, just about everyone else has..... the overwhelming majority of the DIY market can't be wrong.
Price is the biggest problem for the new Intel platform. It looks almost the same as AM5(PCI-e and stuff), so it seems like a good step. A £50-80 price drop would make them look a lot better, even if its a single generation socket. They should do a chip with no NPU that's cheaper, adding an NPU(it's not even that fast) was a strange move.
They need to rework Arrow Lake, remove the E-cores if need be for some parts of the lineup.
E-cores have been a disaster for Intel, the only benefit has been in lower power / more efficient mobile CPUs. Useless for desktop PCs (at least compared to larger / higher power cores).
E-cores have been a disaster for Intel, the only benefit has been in lower power / more efficient mobile CPUs. Useless for desktop PCs (at least compared to larger / higher power cores).
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