Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..

Gerard · 18 Mar 2025 at 18:54

jonneymendoza said:
Next up will be nvidia that will follow the same path as Intel

People used to laugh at that notion saying nvidia were too far ahead and always innovating.. but look at the 5000 series. That's as half assed as it gets. Resting on their laurels in the gaming space as they're making tons in the ai space.

The 5k series on the whole has not went down well with gamers and reviewers, whereas the 9070xt has been more openly welcomed. Just the msrp being the main issue for the 9070xt, though that could settle down in the coming months

welshrat · 18 Mar 2025 at 23:02

Gerard said:
People used to laugh at that notion saying nvidia were too far ahead and always innovating.. but look at the 5000 series. That's as half assed as it gets. Resting on their laurels in the gaming space as they're making tons in the ai space.

The 5k series on the whole has not went down well with gamers and reviewers, whereas the 9070xt has been more openly welcomed. Just the msrp being the main issue for the 9070xt, though that could settle down in the coming months

Yes, it's quite the miraculous turnaround. Just bought a 9070xt but was seriously thinking of jumping ship to the green team this time around until the prices and reviews came out.

I know they aren't fighting at the top level but at 700 for my nitro I am extremely happy especially now the feature set has improved so much. Really didn't expect Nvidia to stumble so badly, let's hope it continues and we get better performance and better prices.

aaronyuri · 18 Mar 2025 at 23:32

welshrat said:
Yes, it's quite the miraculous turnaround. Just bought a 9070xt but was seriously thinking of jumping ship to the green team this time around until the prices and reviews came out.

I know they aren't fighting at the top level but at 700 for my nitro I am extremely happy especially now the feature set has improved so much. Really didn't expect Nvidia to stumble so badly, let's hope it continues and we get better performance and better prices.

It's all about the price at this point for me. The prices of a mid range card are now the same as a flagship used to be (say 980/1080 Ti). Approx £1500 for the now flagship (5080 - excluding 5090 as ultra high end) is just madness. That's 3x the price of a console nowadays.

Venali · 18 Mar 2025 at 23:32

I was going to write up a big post explaining why I returned my 5900x and went back to my 10900k, but I think this video explains it better than I can. I did also have microstutters with the 5900x that I just couldn't fix. Maybe there was something I missed along the way, but it was not the experience I was used to. But the tldr is these older processors can actually feel faster.

Rroff · 18 Mar 2025 at 23:37

Venali said:
But the tldr is these older processors can actually feel faster.

I've posted on this before but it is a lot more complicated than that video and I don't think is down to the processor or an Intel vs AMD thing, aside from older processors don't seem to be affected by it. I stuck with my X79 Xeon setup for a long time for my main productivity setup due to encountering it when testing newer 13th gen, etc. Intel CPUs so was apprehensive when I built a new 14700K based gaming PC but fortunately that isn't exhibiting it.

aaronyuri · 18 Mar 2025 at 23:58

Venali said:
I was going to write up a big post explaining why I returned my 5900x and went back to my 10900k, but I think this video explains it better than I can. I did also have microstutters with the 5900x that I just couldn't fix. Maybe there was something I missed along the way, but it was not the experience I was used to. But the tldr is these older processors can actually feel faster.

Stuttering isn't normal. Sounds like your setup had issues. Not saying what may be in the video is untrue (haven't watched it), but stuttering is definitely not normal.

G J · 19 Mar 2025 at 02:35

Venali said:
I was going to write up a big post explaining why I returned my 5900x and went back to my 10900k, but I think this video explains it better than I can. I did also have microstutters with the 5900x that I just couldn't fix. Maybe there was something I missed along the way, but it was not the experience I was used to. But the tldr is these older processors can actually feel faster.

There was loads of questions asked about his 13900K in that video as people said that was not normal as maybe the 13900K he used for testing in this video is one the processors he said in a stream around three months later was unstable and suffered from the Intel degradation issue not knowning what it was at the time.

Found the timestamp when he mentioned that he had 2 faulty 13900K and a 14900K. He also talked about it on a livestream somewhere but I cant remember where it was.

opethdisciple · 19 Mar 2025 at 11:05

Grim5 said:

This is what happens to Intel ever time Lisa Su comes on the stage to announce a new AMD CPU.

Rroff · 19 Mar 2025 at 14:28

G J said:
There was loads of questions asked about his 13900K in that video as people said that was not normal as maybe the 13900K he used for testing in this video is one the processors he said in a stream around three months later was unstable and suffered from the Intel degradation issue not knowning what it was at the time.

Found the timestamp when he mentioned that he had 2 faulty 13900K and a 14900K. He also talked about it on a livestream somewhere but I cant remember where it was.

I've seen this issue across a range of more recent AMD and Intel setups, and not alone in that, there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it, it is possible Windows is mostly/partly to blame even. For some reason 10th gen and older Intel is not affected by it and same for older AMD CPUs which haven't been seen to exhibit it either.

I'm not sure how the via oxidisation issue manifests but the voltage related issues with Intel 13th and 14th gen don't normally manifest in this way until the CPU is so unstable you are seeing other very distinct signs of a problem - until those issues progress significantly the symptoms are crashing/errors in things like memory decompression, though the symptoms are also similar to what you can get with heavy error correction.

Venali · 19 Mar 2025 at 15:24

Rroff said:
I've posted on this before but it is a lot more complicated than that video and I don't think is down to the processor or an Intel vs AMD thing, aside from older processors don't seem to be affected by it. I stuck with my X79 Xeon setup for a long time for my main productivity setup due to encountering it when testing newer 13th gen, etc. Intel CPUs so was apprehensive when I built a new 14700K based gaming PC but fortunately that isn't exhibiting it.

It is more complicated, you're right. Especially when it comes to DPC latency, as even specific motherboards within the same series can have big differences. It's not something that's really tested or looked at much. I had a friend who was buying boards running latencymon and sending them back to amazon.

aaronyuri said:
Stuttering isn't normal. Sounds like your setup had issues. Not saying what may be in the video is untrue (haven't watched it), but stuttering is definitely not normal.

It's a separate issue, and one I've never had on any build I've done. It was my first AMD build since the Athlon XP 3200+, and I won't lie it's put me off trying them again even if it's not AMDs fault per se.

Lord-Jaffa · 4 Apr 2025 at 11:12

Have more 9800X3Ds died than 13900s and 14900s yet? Has anyone checked in on Jigger?

jonneymendoza · 4 Apr 2025 at 14:05

Lord-Jaffa said:
Have more 9800X3Ds died than 13900s and 14900s yet? Has anyone checked in on Jigger?

lol

Tetras · 4 Apr 2025 at 14:20

Lord-Jaffa said:
Have more 9800X3Ds died than 13900s and 14900s yet? Has anyone checked in on Jigger?

Not sure AMD can make enough of them to beat Intel at this point

jigger · 5 Apr 2025 at 11:27

Tetras said:
Not sure AMD can make enough of them to beat Intel at this point

Intel 50% failure aside, the X3D chips are probably the only segment AMD are outselling Intel.

Pelsepup · 5 Apr 2025 at 16:13

jigger said:
Intel 50% failure aside, the X3D chips are probably the only segment AMD are outselling Intel.

AMD Captures Nearly 80% Of CPU Market According To March Amazon US Stats: Generates Five Times More Revenue Than Intel

The March CPU sales stats on Amazon US are out and AMD is still holding the highest CPU market share with nearly 80% of total shipments.

wccftech.com

"After Ryzen 7 9800X3D with 6000+ Units Shipments, Ryzen 5 5500 is at Number Two, Outselling the Entire Core Ultra 200S Stack"

Venali · 5 Apr 2025 at 16:19

Still not buying AMD. Comfy 14nm gang.

Minstadave · 5 Apr 2025 at 16:20

jigger said:
Intel 50% failure aside, the X3D chips are probably the only segment AMD are outselling Intel.

Have you seen the really big etailer's best selling CPU list? The first Intel chip is number 14, number 11 is a contact frame for AM5!

Rroff · 5 Apr 2025 at 17:09

Minstadave said:
Have you seen the really big etailer's best selling CPU list? The first Intel chip is number 14, number 11 is a contact frame for AM5!

Overall market Intel is still massively outselling AMD though AMD is selling well in certain segments.

Actual failure rates at retail so far the 7000/9000 series have nearly twice the failure rate of Intel 13th/14th gen ironically - this "50%" failure BS isn't showing up at retail so far.

jigger · 5 Apr 2025 at 20:39

Pelsepup said:
AMD Captures Nearly 80% Of CPU Market According To March Amazon US Stats: Generates Five Times More Revenue Than Intel

The March CPU sales stats on Amazon US are out and AMD is still holding the highest CPU market share with nearly 80% of total shipments.

wccftech.com

"After Ryzen 7 9800X3D with 6000+ Units Shipments, Ryzen 5 5500 is at Number Two, Outselling the Entire Core Ultra 200S Stack"

The top selling CPUs in the U.K. are all X3D parts and IIRC X3D parts make up 5 out of the top 10 selling chips.

rare · 5 Apr 2025 at 21:01

Intel has a lot of influence still in the pre built market especially when it comes to companies like Dell.