Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..

[Rroff]

3950X demolished everything on X299, Threadripper 3000 was just humiliation. Threadripper 2000 was already putting the hurt on X299. And I've already said that outside of ultra high-end gaming with the 9900K, Ryzen 3000 took the crown in every meaningful metric from 8th and 9th Gen.

You are as bad as jigger sometimes - the Intel 10980XE (and similar) was out when the 3950X was and while the AMD chip was cheaper and generally (but not always) faster it wasn't so much faster overall as to say it demolished it. The Threadrippers were monsters but also way more expensive than the X299 chips.

 

[Grim5]

I went from a 8700k to a 3950x, it was amazing. Felt like a bunch of free performance fell into my lap at the time, all that performance for so little power draw and a low price.
I very briefly considered the 10980XE, but as a consumer I didn't need the platform, so it was directly comparable and it cost a lot of money and used too much power, a sign of things to come for Intel.

Fast forward, Intel's HEDT line is dead and they are still trying to climb out that hole

 

[Rroff]

Fast forward, Intel's HEDT line is dead and they are still trying to climb out that hole

Yeah coming from what personally I consider peak HEDT - where provisioning of stuff was generous and/or forward thinking - it sucks, especially as the desktop platforms now are so meagre and give you just enough for the minimum and no more.

 

[Journey]

The Threadrippers were monsters but also way more expensive than the X299 chips.

Eh?

I think you are somehow misremembering what made the Threadripper 'destroy' Intel HEDT, it was price to performance

 

[Rroff]

Eh?

I think you are somehow misremembering what made the Threadripper 'destroy' Intel HEDT, it was price to performance

Your image doesn't make much sense in that context - by the time the 3950X was out Intel had released the 10th gen on X299 at half the price of the 9xxx chips. At an earlier point Threadrippers had a good price/performance advantage but not at this point.

 

[jonneymendoza]

3950X demolished everything on X299, Threadripper 3000 was just humiliation. Threadripper 2000 was already putting the hurt on X299. And I've already said that outside of ultra high-end gaming with the 9900K, Ryzen 3000 took the crown in every meaningful metric from 8th and 9th Gen.

Why would I exclude Ryzen 5000 when that was the contemporary of 10th and 11th Gen? Oh, and 11th Gen wasn't Skylake. It was Rocket Lake. Seriously, go back through all the reviews of Ryzen 3000. Go through the old threads here. Talk to actual owners of Ryzen 3000 on these forums. You can say "not true" all you want, just go back and read.

Anyway, this is veering seriously off topic. Go back and read or don't, it doesn't matter any more.

I have a thread ripper 3960x and it is a monster. It's a Shane it is not good for gaming though and I feel my 3090 is bottleneck because of my cpu?

 

[jigger]

Your image doesn't make much sense in that context - by the time the 3950X was out Intel had released the 10th gen on X299 at half the price of the 9xxx chips. At an earlier point Threadrippers had a good price/performance advantage but not at this point.

You’re not making much sense. Intel was forced to exit to HEDT because of Zen.

 

[WARburton]

You’re not making much sense. Intel was forced to exit to HEDT because of Zen.

That’s irrelevant. Your comparison is to the last gen cpu. Show the same with 10th gen.

 

[Journey]

Your image doesn't make much sense in that context - by the time the 3950X was out Intel had released the 10th gen on X299 at half the price of the 9xxx chips. At an earlier point Threadrippers had a good price/performance advantage but not at this point.

That was taken from a review, 10980XE a was $1100

 

[jigger]

That’s irrelevant. Your comparison is to the last gen cpu. Show the same with 10th gen.

Zen is the single most relevant architecture in the last 10-20 years.

 

[WARburton]

Zen is the single most relevant architecture in the last 10-20 years.

Yes I agree. But in the early days it was slower.

 

[Toasty]

1000/2000 series Threadripper were unmatched for performance/price if you wanted a load of cores and pcie lanes.

3950X did embarrass the 7/9 series intel HEDT as they were still like £2000 for the top end 18 core when they launched, 10th gen halved the price though as released after the 3950X came out.

AMD shortly after brought out the 3000 series TR which although much more expensive but they had no competition then as you could get 24,32 or 64 cores in a single socket workstation, so even though 10980XE and X299 was pretty decent at that point it just got blown away by the performance of the 3000 TR.

 

[arknor]

this thread appears to be more about AMD than intel....

it's meant to be an intel thread but seems to be an AMD vs intel thread where fanboys can argue about nostalgia.

it's not meant to be about intel as a business?

Wasn't happy with the my 13900k cpu hiting or being close to 100c when in cinebench so I decided to try one of those cpu contact frames.

20 degrees cooler under full load, pretty insane difference really over the standard mounting system.

it's not the mounting system that's the problem.
it's the shape of the contact surface of the heatsink/plate

there was a whole articles about it during the 12700k and next gen of cpus.

your heatsink or whatever has a flat bottom?
noctua and some other manufactures use a convex shape

Why is the baseplate of Noctua coolers convex and has tiny grooves in it?

Baseplate grooves As most of today's PC enthusiasts use high-viscosity thermal compounds, the contact surface of Noctua coolers is optimised for use with this type of paste. The micro-grooves at the contact surface ensure that high-viscosity the...

faqs.noctua.at

Convex baseplate

As the Integrated Heat Spreaders (IHS) of today’s CPUs are slightly concave, the cooler’s contact surface has been deliberately designed to be slightly convex in order to ensure optimal contact. This way, more contact pressure will be applied at the centre of the IHS directly above the DIE, which results in better heat transfer and improved overall performance.

and doesnt see any benefit of a contact frame

 

[jigger]

Yes I agree. But in the early days it was slower.

Expect it wasn’t. Intel had a handful of parts that offered acceptable performance in very few instances, usually right at the end of a Zen cycle and at a significantly higher cost and power use.

 

[WARburton]

Expect it wasn’t. Intel had a handful of parts that offered acceptable performance in very few instances, usually right at the end of a Zen cycle and at a significantly higher cost and power use.

do you wear a crash helmet when you go outside..
it literally was slower on a core to core bases,

 

[jigger]

do you wear a crash helmet when you go outside..
it literally was slower on a core to core bases,

Zen has been leading in just about every metric since launch. Even under windows the days of single core serial computing are long over before Zen. To 95% of users the performance of a single core at the time about as relevant as how edible is the packaging was.

 

[Rroff]

You’re not making much sense. Intel was forced to exit to HEDT because of Zen.

Except that isn't what I'm talking about it is irrelevant to the point I'm addressing whether Intel exit HEDT because of Zen or not, and the image isn't relevant to either point.

 

[Rroff]

1000/2000 series Threadripper were unmatched for performance/price if you wanted a load of cores and pcie lanes.

3950X did embarrass the 7/9 series intel HEDT as they were still like £2000 for the top end 18 core when they launched, 10th gen halved the price though as released after the 3950X came out.

AMD shortly after brought out the 3000 series TR which although much more expensive but they had no competition then as you could get 24,32 or 64 cores in a single socket workstation, so even though 10980XE and X299 was pretty decent at that point it just got blown away by the performance of the 3000 TR.

Maybe my memory is faulty but pretty sure the 10th gen HEDT parts were available before the 3950X, with the 10th gen desktop parts coming later.

The 3000 series TRs were monsters but also mostly priced outside of the general market for HEDT with the fastest part IIRC twice the performance but over 4x the price of the Intel 10th gen HEDT.