Intel i5 v AMD range

[easyrider]

The Core i3 530 is around £100 and hence is not £65! Also the motherboards are expensive too and you would be lucky to get even the cheapest P55 motherboard for under £70 and these ones have a reduced feature set and budget construction - for example not having all solid capacitors in a £70 to £80 motherboard is a joke. Another funny thing is that just because a review shows that a certain chip can be overclocked a certain amount does not mean in reality it will do so. .

I posted £65 before pricing was available and it was wishful thinking on my behalf.

Yes they are overpriced..people will just get a i5 750 instead.

All chips will not to the same clocks but early signs do indeed show that they stupidly overclockable

Whether the overclock be stable under multiple runs of IBT,OCCT,Orthos and the Crysis Benchmark tool for a few hours though is another question.

The X3 720 beats the Core i5 530 in most games too:

We will soon find out how the i3's clock and if they do reach the dizzy heights of 4.5Ghz + they will be nice chips

Even an X2 550BE will give you 76% to 96% of the framerates of a Core i3 540 for £40 less:
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NOt when overclocked.The headroom on the i3 and i5 chips in overclocking terms are higher

Even the Athlon II X3 435 destroys the Pentium G6950 and is available for under £60 too from many retailers. Even the X2 425 which is available for around £55 would be probably worthy competition for the Pentium G6950.

55 is a lot when 40 more gets you into the realms of Q6600 beating with overclocked i3/i5

 

[easyrider]

I'd rather have an i5 over an i3.

The only difference is turbo boost.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

We will soon find out how the i3's clock and if they do reach the dizzy heights of 4.5Ghz + they will be nice chips

When will the £50 motherboards to overclock these processors come out then?? All the socket 1156 motherboards seem to be over £70.

NOt when overclocked.The headroom on the i3 and i5 chips in overclocking terms are higher

The vast majority of people don't overclock though. Can you guarantee an overclock on any chip and if not there is no point in putting so much emphasis on it. You can't simply say all chips will overclock the same as a previous batch. Even things like core unlocking and L3 cache unlocking are not guaranteed. Quite a few people have had success unlocking the X2 5000+ to a quad core with L3 cache but I cannot guarantee it will happen for everyone!!

55 is a lot when 40 more gets you into the realms of Q6600 beating with overclocked i3/i5

??? Well the Pentium is not £40 AFAIK and again the you banging about something which cannot be guaranteed. I am seeing it listed at around £75 at other retailers. Even it were to magically drop to £60 it would still not be cheap since you would be paying at least £70 for a suitable motherboard. Again how much are the budget Intel motherboards going to be which are capable of massive overclocks then as the Pentium G6950 has a lower multiplier than any other Core i3 and Core i5 chip using socket 1156! A budget chip needs a budget overclocking motherboard and £70 to £80 is not considered budget for anything apart from well off enthusiasts. Both socket 775 and socket AM2+ and AM3 have cheap motherboards which you can overclock most sub £100 chips in the respective ranges reasonably well with if your have a decent chip. This is why the E5000 series are so popular since you don't need an uber expensive motherboard and RAM to overclock it with.


If the Pentium G6950 is so great we should all forget about any other processor then outside a Core i7 920 or 930 as they would be pointless.

OTH,according to this review the Pentium G6950 is not that brilliant at stock:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/clarkdale-review.html

It is also harder to overclock.

Wait two months and then we can say which is the better chip to buy since the budget motherboards will have come out too hopefully. We can all get a more objective view of these chips when people have tried overclocking the later retail examples with budget motherboards.

You are not being at all objective but trying to shoe horn subjective bias into a pseudo-objective argument.

 

[easyrider]

When will the £50 motherboards to overclock these processors come out then?? All the socket 1156 motherboards seem to be over £70...

They may never come out? Your point?

The vast majority of people don't overclock though. Can you guarantee an overclock on any chip and if not there is no point in putting so much emphasis on it. You can't simply say all chips will overclock the same as a previous batch. Even things like core unlocking and L3 cache unlocking are not guaranteed. Quite a few people have had success unlocking the X2 5000+ to a quad core with L3 cache but I cannot guarantee it will happen for everyone!!.

Thats up to them.This is an enthusiast forum. Fact is all Q6600 will do 3ghz+ with the correct hardware and know how.

Nearly all the i7 920 owners here and other forums have got 4ghz with ease.

The same goes for i5 750's

So in essence clocking, although cannot be guaranteed, a trend on hardware can certainly be established.

??? Well the Pentium is not £40 AFAIK and again the you banging about something which cannot be guaranteed. I am seeing it listed at around £75 at other retailers. Even it were to magically drop to £60 it would still not be cheap since you would be paying at least £70 for a suitable motherboard. Again how much are the budget Intel motherboards going to be which are capable of massive overclocks then as the Pentium G6950 has a lower multiplier than any other Core i3 and Core i5 chip using socket 1156! A budget chip needs a budget overclocking motherboard and £70 to £80 is not considered budget for anything apart from well off enthusiasts. Both socket 775 and socket AM2+ and AM3 have cheap motherboards which you can overclock most sub £100 chips in the respective ranges reasonably well with if your have a decent chip. This is why the E5000 series are so popular since you don't need an uber expensive motherboard and RAM to overclock it with.
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Who cares about AMD? I want the fastest hardware for my money.

If the Pentium G6950 is so great we should all forget about any other processor then outside a Core i7 920 or 930 as they would be pointless.

Why? the i5 750 is hardly pointless

You are not being at all objective but trying to shoe horn subjective bias into a pseudo-objective argument.

I'm not bias..But I know about hardware and overclocking.

AMD have nothing to compete against with a 4.5ghz+ i3/i5 200 quid combo.

If you don't overclock then who care's. This is not what the arguement is about.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Who cares about AMD? I want the fastest hardware for my money

So do I . . that's why I use AMD

AMD have nothing to compete against with a 4.5ghz+ i3/i5 200 quid combo.

I assume you have talked yourself into placing an order for some new i3 kit?

If you get a chip + mobo + memory for £200 that will be great, sure will smoke your laptop!

 

[easyrider]

So do I . . that's why I use AMD

I assume you have talked yourself into placing an order for some new i3 kit?

If you get a chip + mobo + memory for £200 that will be great, sure will smoke your laptop!

Dear Lord!

AMD offers the best value ,but its not the fastest. Thats why its priced that way to compete with intel.

I haven't talked myself into anything yet.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Dear Lord!

cmon were mates, call me Wayne please!

AMD offers the best value ,but its not the fastest.

For the money it's brilliant, but of course if you throw more money at your project you will get more speed . . . I reckon outside of your demanding encoding work your unlikely to be able to tell the difference without relying on benchmarks . . .

I haven't talked myself into anything yet.

If you have some DDR2 knocking about I reckon you could source a new AMD uATX board (inc IGP) and an AM3 chip for £100 . . .

Pay more if you feel your project merits it but don't underestimate the AMD stuff as its ace . . . .cmon pull your credit card out and order some hardware!

 

[easyrider]

cmon were mates, call me Wayne please! :

Wayen with a cherry on top you know I am right.

For the money it's brilliant, but of course if you throw more money at your project you will get more speed . . . I reckon outside of your demanding encoding work your unlikely to be able to tell the difference without relying on benchmarks . . .:

Saving 40 odd quid is not enough incentive to go AMD

If you have some DDR2 knocking about I reckon you could source a new AMD uATX board (inc IGP) and an AM3 chip for £100 . . .:

Its in my WHS

Pay more if you feel your project merits it but don't underestimate the AMD stuff as its ace . . . .cmon pull your credit card out and order some hardware!

Intel stuff is just better for not a lot more.

 

[craptakular]

I ordered am3 965. ud5 mega moinboard lol and ddr3 ram.

In my eyes socket 1156 is dead already, atleast am3 is going to get 6 core and maybe bulldozer!

It depends on your budget and usage I guess. Mine will be mainly gaming and light photoshop & video editing.

i7 is to expensive for me and i5 seems a waste of time. AM3 for me was the better buy.

 

[Big.Wayne]

you know I am right

Actually I'm not 100% what your point is? . . . I think your saying it's better to spend more money

Saving 40 odd quid is not enough incentive to go AMD

I'm not sure where you are getting that figure from but I've never understood your figures, I think you need re-callibration as you always seem to round numbers down a fair bit to suit your debate!

So if you were to put an order in today at OcUK for some new kit what would you get and how much would it cost (inc free shipping and pre-orders allowed etc)

Intel stuff is just better for not a lot more.

Stuff? . . . what "stuff" are you talking about? . . .you need to be more specific as your being very ambiguous . . .

 

[easyrider]

Actually I'm not 100% what your point is? . . . I think your saying it's better to spend more money

I'm not sure where you are getting that figure from but I've never understood your figures, I think you need re-callibration as you always seem to round numbers down a fair bit to suit your debate!

So if you were to put an order in today at OcUK for some new kit what would you get and how much would it cost (inc free shipping and pre-orders allowed etc)

Stuff? . . . what "stuff" are you talking about? . . .you need to be more specific as your being very ambiguous . . .

Spec me an AMD machine that can be clocked to the max on air that can beat an i3 and mobo combo clocked to 4.5ghz on air for 200?

 

[deuse]

So a i3 for £65 running at 4.8ghz on a p55 is not the way to go?

Do you think the Integrated Graphics part of the CPU could stop overclocking?

 

[Big.Wayne]

Spec me an AMD machine that can be clocked to the max on air that can beat an i3 and mobo combo clocked to 4.5ghz on air for 200?

Your the one who is being very *passionate* after having read two or three reviews so I am genuinely interested to know the following . . .

So if you were to put an order in today at OcUK for some new kit what would you get and how much would it cost (inc free shipping and pre-orders allowed etc)

Put your money where your mouth is, don't sit there on your laptop gobbing off like you know what your talking about based on a web review!

Buy the hardware and give us all your valuable feedback . . . none of us are interested in what you think is the best because you don't know! i.e you lack experience!

 

[Andrew G]

Could anyone comment on how well the i5 would overclock compared to the AMD kiddies, as said above you cannot compare i5 to AMD since the price difference however this price gap surely becomes closer after you take into account how much more an i5 will overclock on air than its amd brothers and sisters?

 

[easyrider]

Snip

I'm sitting tight until the i3 clocking results appear.

This is going to be my studio PC in a rackmount so I want it to last. Once its in the rack I won't be touching it for sometime.

The reason you failed to answer my question is quite simply you can't.

AMD don't cut it in the overclocking or performance stakes..PERIOD

 

[Big.Wayne]

compared to the AMD kiddies

What do you mean by that Andrew?

you cannot compare i5 to AMD since the price difference

Of course you can, a flagship AMD processor and motherboard cost more than some of the new Intel kit . .

how much more an i5 will overclock on air than its amd brothers and sisters?

Heres the thing, overclocking for overclocking sake is slowly becoming a bit passe, at least for me once I realised its not free i.e the electricty bill suddenly jumps £££

If your a serious benchmarker or power user then overclocking certainly hold appeal but if your someone who wants to enjoy high res gaming and end user stuff there is no need to spend a fortune anymore . . .

 

[Big.Wayne]

I'm sitting tight until the i3 clocking results appear

of course you are!

The reason you failed to answer my question is quite simply you can't

No, actually you failed to answer my question because you would rather stand on the bylines . .

AMD don't cut it in the overclocking or performance stakes..PERIOD

Your clueless!

 

[~>Dg<~]

thing is a lot are comparing extreme overclocks !

how many are going to run at these supposed settings 24/7

the i5 is similar to am3 quads yes some are quicker but by a nats knacker in real world that you hardly notice.

so in reality it comes down to how much price difference and how much you like either side

amd and intel no the score thats why they priced accordingly.

if some of you are running on these cheap stuff at 4.5 gig on air i take my hat off to you but the amount also doing same will be less than 1 percent.

 

[easyrider]

Heres the thing, overclocking for overclocking sake is slowly becoming a bit passe, at least for me once I realised its not free i.e the electricty bill suddenly jumps £££

The cost is marginal a year. Thats a lame argument.

People waste more money on other energy cost's than they do turning on a heavily overclocked PC. Gaming for a few hours and then turning their PC's off.

 

[easyrider]

of course you are!

No, actually you failed to answer my question because you would rather stand on the bylines . .

Your clueless!

I can get more computing power for the same money with intel than I can get with AMD.

Thats why the majority of enthusiast's are running intel rigs now.

Thats why the majority of enthusiasts were running opty 170's when the P4's were the only option

I'll happily buy AMD when its the faster option.