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Intel is again gaining market share in DIY CPU market

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Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-is-again-gaining-market-share-in-diy-cpu-market

Videocardz said:
AMD Ryzen market share drops
According to DIY market analysis by two sources, Intel is reclaiming a lead in the DIY market.

Japanese DIY market analysis by BCNR shows that Intel desktop CPU sales have increased in mid-2021 and have been on a rise ever since. This trend appears after nearly 2 years of AMD Ryzen CPU domination on the Japanese market.

There is a clear change in popularity of mid-range CPUs: Ryzen 5 and Core i5 series. Once Intel released the 11th Gen Core “Rocket Lake” architecture in late Q1 2021, consumers have been switching sides. Since then, Intel has released its new 12th Gen Core “Alder Lake” series with a wide range of SKUs, now including Core i5 as well. Meanwhile, AMD has not released anything for mid and entry-level segments for months. This surely did not go unnoticed by consumers looking for a new processor.
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Interesting few months ahead; will Zen3 refresh save AMD, with 8 cores and extra cache? Will RPL and Zen4 launch on time? Who will hold the performance crown by year end? Exciting times ahead, all thanks to AMD waking up a sleeping giant.
 
Dave2150 said:
Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-is-again-gaining-market-share-in-diy-cpu-market



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Interesting few months ahead; will Zen3 refresh save AMD, with 8 cores and extra cache? Will RPL and Zen4 launch on time? Who will hold the performance crown by year end? Exciting times ahead, all thanks to AMD waking up a sleeping giant.
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that, and AMD didn't drop the prices enough of their current cpu's to counter the price/performance of intel's 12th gen. Quite hard to recommend a AMD build when the intel offers better performance for less. AMD has given up 2yrs of gains in under 6 months. They should drop the price a bit more, keep the goodwill of their customers and hopefully get the benefits with AM5 release
 
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Dave2150 said:
with 8 cores and extra cache?
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No, that'll be at the higher end and AMD need volume. Best hope is a full Zen4 stack BUT also hope that DDR5 has dropped a fair bit in price by then or Intel will have the advantage with the DDR4 option.

DDR4 will be at the value end for a fair while yet I feel, and as we know the lower end drive the volume required for overall market share.
 
This doesn’t surprise me.

Plenty of people are seriously considering intel.

I have my motherboard and 5950x up for sale as I want to buy a 12900ks.

My experience with amd hasn’t been great, everything just seems more complicated than it should and there have been lots of bugs.

The last intel cpu I had (8700k) was a far more pleasurable experience.
 
Agree that AMD didn't react quick enough to drop prices to keep the gains aggressive. Also the Ryzen platform idle power consumption has been disappointing. Not sure if Intel have upcoming stuff which betters it as haven't researched it yet but this would be the only thing that would get me to change right now what with energy prices going the way they are.
 
Not a surprise given how well Alder Lake is positioned and given how slow AMD have been in reacting (the 12900K came out at the start of November followed by the rest of the lineup and AMD only just started dropping prices in February). If I were in the market for a new system I would probably go with the 12600K, cheaper and faster then the 5800X and it comes with a GPU as well, combine it with a lower end B660 and some DDR4 it's kind of a no brainer unless you really do enjoy handing your money over to AMD.
 
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Not a surprise given how well Alder Lake is positioned and given how slow AMD have been in reacting (the 12900K came out at the start of November followed by the rest of the lineup and AMD only just started dropping prices in February). If I were in the market for a new system I would probably go with the 12600K, cheaper and faster then the 5800X and it comes with a GPU as well, combine it with a lower end B660 and some DDR4 it's kind of a no brainer unless you really do enjoy handing your money over to AMD.
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Yeah tempted to sell off my board and CPU but honestly not sure i can be bothered with the hassle, it wouldn't be a big enough jump in single core speed anyway i don't think. I'll think about it but probably end up waiting for Meteor Lake.
 
The decline started even before Alderlake released just after the release of zen 3 because AMD chose not to release their bread and butter CPU like the 5700X and rebadged the 5600 to a 5600X so they could fool consumers and charge a lot more.
 
Joxeon said:
The decline started even before Alderlake released just after the release of zen 3 because AMD chose not to release their bread and butter CPU like the 5700X and rebadged the 5600 to a 5600X so they could fool consumers and charge a lot more.
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Zen 3 era was very succesfull, both in term of profit and market share. Intel released RKL as response to Zen 3 but it was big fail, and they had Comet Lake which had good performance/price ratio, but consumers still choose Zen 3 which every major IT retailer confirm with their top 10 sales list.
 
Dave2150 said:
Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-is-again-gaining-market-share-in-diy-cpu-market



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Interesting few months ahead; will Zen3 refresh save AMD, with 8 cores and extra cache? Will RPL and Zen4 launch on time? Who will hold the performance crown by year end? Exciting times ahead, all thanks to AMD waking up a sleeping giant.
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Wait? did AMD get to Desktop Market share parity with Intel?

now including Core i5 as well. Meanwhile, AMD has not released anything for mid and entry-level segments for months. This surely did not go unnoticed by consumers looking for a new processor.
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This is hardly a ringing endorsement, they are right to point out AMD don't do any budget i5 type CPU's which suggests Intel's recovery is due to people looking for budget CPU's and going to Intel for them.

I'm not being a snob, from a business perspective these are low return low profit parts, AMD almost went bust being the budget brand and while i'm not suggesting this would be Intel's fate, that would just be stupid, Intel will not be happy with it as their entire ethos is brand prestige, its just more confirmation to them that they have lost that.

Having said all of that AMD should tackle this, they easily could, the 5600X with a few tweaks is a very competitive CPU, rebrand it the Ryzen 6600X, use the better B2 stepping, up the TDP from 65 watts to 95 watts, get it clocking to <5.1Ghz it will trade blows with the $290 12600K in games and for £199 it will be a giant middle finger to Intel's budget ADL.
 
I think AMD's main problem is manufacturing capacity. If they could produce as many dies as they wanted then I expect they would have released more lower-end parts and dropped the prices of existing CPUs to compete effectively with Alder Lake. However, when they're seeking every chip they make, and have a focus on taking market share in the server market, focusing more manufacturing capacity on desktop chips with reduced margins to compete with an Intel product a generation ahead doesn't really make sense, at least that's my understanding of the situation.
 
humbug said:
Wait? did AMD get to Desktop Market share parity with Intel?



This is hardly a ringing endorsement, they are right to point out AMD don't do any budget i5 type CPU's which suggests Intel's recovery is due to people looking for budget CPU's and going to Intel for them.

I'm not being a snob, from a business perspective these are low return low profit parts, AMD almost went bust being the budget brand and while i'm not suggesting this would be Intel's fate, that would just be stupid, Intel will not be happy with it as their entire ethos is brand prestige, its just more confirmation to them that they have lost that.

Having said all of that AMD should tackle this, they easily could, the 5600X with a few tweaks is a very competitive CPU, rebrand it the Ryzen 6600X, use the better B2 stepping, up the TDP from 65 watts to 95 watts, get it clocking to <5.1Ghz it will trade blows with the $290 12600K in games and for £199 it will be a giant middle finger to Intel's budget ADL.
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AMD kind of tied their hands though by rebranding the 65w 5600 to a 5600X so they could sell lower binned silicon for a premium and that the price rise of 100 quid from the like for like Zen 2 part wouldn't appear so steep to unknowing consumers.

I was supprised that more tech channels didn't pick up on this at the time of release and kept saying the 5600 non X would likely come later but this was never going to happen as the X SKU had the spec on a non X part so AMD were unable to release the non X version although as you say they could now release a 95w version but the naming is now an issue as a 6600X would imply it's a newer architecture and the 5600XT is already a GPU part and the 5600X name is already taken so all AMD can really do is cut prices.
 
Joxeon said:
AMD kind of tied their hands though by rebranding the 65w 5600 to a 5600X so they could sell lower binned silicon for a premium and that the price rise of 100 quid from the like for like Zen 2 part wouldn't appear so steep to unknowing consumers.

I was supprised that more tech channels didn't pick up on this at the time of release and kept saying the 5600 non X would likely come later but this was never going to happen as the X SKU had the spec on a non X part so AMD were unable to release the non X version although as you say they could now release a 95w version but the naming is now an issue as a 6600X would imply it's a newer architecture and the 5600XT is already a GPU part and the 5600X name is already taken so all AMD can really do is cut prices.
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The 5600X can be much higher performant that it currently is, so no, lowering prices is not the only thing they can do.
 
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