AMD can by increasing the TDP to 95w which the *600X SKUs have always been but now that means adding a new higher end SKU which is unlikely to happen because even if it did it's not really going to compete with the 12600k as bumping up clocks by a few 100 MHz won't overcome the 40% MT deficit and 18% in SC while gaming performance is unlikely to see much of an improvement over the original.
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Intel is again gaining market share in DIY CPU market
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Caporegime
The 12600K is not the 12900K, Zen 3 is still very competitive, the 5600X quite often beats the 12600K, have a look for yourself. it only needs a little push and it will push past.
Ignore the click-bait hyperbole headline, the 12600K "defeated" the 12600K by 1%
https://www.techspot.com/review/2354-intel-core-i5-12600k/
What about productivity performance, for those using their PC for things other than gaming? Lets sit down and take a look, @humbug
$289 Intel 12600k system hugely superior in performance for productivity workloads, while being cheaper than the $299 Ryzen 5600 option. Intel platform also massively more up to take and feature rich.
This is why Intel is making such a market share gain, people are able to see that Intel currently have better products.
The 12600K is not the 12900K, Zen 3 is still very competitive, the 5600X quite often beats the 12600K, have a look for yourself. it only needs a little push and it will push past.
Ignore the click-bait hyperbole headline, the 12600K "defeated" the 12600K by 1%
https://www.techspot.com/review/2354-intel-core-i5-12600k/
The only Zen 3 SKU which is competitive with Intel right now on price performance is the 5950X vs 12900k, the rest either all lose by a healthy margin or require a higher tier of pricing in to match Intels offering.
If your only focus is gaming then a 12400F will pretty much match a 5600X while being considerably cheaper and use less energy.
Caporegime
YES.
The 12400F is also the one that doesn't appear on any sales charts, either because it was a paper launch or people aren't buying it, OCUK don't have one, a couple of places do have one but they are over $200 and i'm suggesting the B2 version higher clocking 95 watt 5600X be $199.
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Caporegime
As i write this the 5600X is $200 on the worlds largest online retailer.
What i'm saying is use the newer B2 stepping which we know is more power efficient and clocks higher, up the TDP to 95 to get it clocking even higher so its trading blows in games with the 12600K (it already is to be fair) for $199 (its already selling at that anyway) while the 12600K is $270 (probably why the 5600X outsells it) and the somewhat scarcely supplied 12400F is also $200'ish.
Yeah?
What i'm saying is use the newer B2 stepping which we know is more power efficient and clocks higher, up the TDP to 95 to get it clocking even higher so its trading blows in games with the 12600K (it already is to be fair) for $199 (its already selling at that anyway) while the 12600K is $270 (probably why the 5600X outsells it) and the somewhat scarcely supplied 12400F is also $200'ish.
Yeah?
Soldato
The 12600K is not the 12900K, Zen 3 is still very competitive, the 5600X quite often beats the 12600K, have a look for yourself. it only needs a little push and it will push past.
Ignore the click-bait hyperbole headline, the 12600K "defeated" the 12600K by 1%
https://www.techspot.com/review/2354-intel-core-i5-12600k/
From memory I think one game does exceptionally well on AMD. Overall the 12600k competes with the 5800x and often beats it.
Caporegime
12700K does, 5600X and 12600K trade blows, i left a link to the full review.
Soldato
If they used binned chips they won’t be selling them for the same as the current 5600x.
Better off dropping 6 core and concentrating on 8 core plus 8 core 3dcache version.
Caporegime
I think the 5800X3D is just going to be too expensive, its intended to be "The pinnacle gaming CPU" and that will come with a price tag to suit.
I'm talking about if AMD just wanted to nutralise the 12600K and blow, the 5600X has room to spare without needing to be pricey.
Intel could just launch a 12600KS to 'counter' - since Alder Lake clearly has headroom too.
That said, it's getting pretty desperate to start discussing make belief products that don't and won't exist. Accept reality as it stands today - Intel has superior products and is gaining marketshare. Ball's in AMD's court.
That said, it's getting pretty desperate to start discussing make belief products that don't and won't exist. Accept reality as it stands today - Intel has superior products and is gaining marketshare. Ball's in AMD's court.
Caporegime
Its 100Mhz (2%) lower clocked than the 12700K and 300Mhz (6%) lower than the 12900K.
They could do that, it would make it just as good for gaming than the 12900K at half the price, and i'm all for it, but its not realistic with their lines up, that is their line up and they are not going to wreck it.
AMD no longer have the luxury of segmenting their CPU's like that, the 5950X has its place as a productivity CPU, the 5900X is in no man's land and has no reason to exists, the 5800X has lost its gaming crown and with that AMD are already replacing it with a faster version in the 5800X3D, so the 5800X now has no reason to exist.
The 5600X is deliberately under clocked to segment it from higher SKU's, just clock it up to make it perform in most games like the 5800X if not a little higher, $199 to kill all of Intel's low to mid range, 5800X3D as the best gaming CPU, make some tweaks to the 5950X to make it that bit better and there you have your productivity CPU.
3 SKU's, nice and simple, all very good, job done until Zen 4.
Just checked and my local store has 12400f in stock (showing 81 units in stock) for $150usd.
Caporegime
Yeah, Intel's margins are much lower on these parts than they have been in the past, even with the last generation Rocket Lake.
And to be fair Intel have slowed AMD's market growth, which is a good thing because AMD was growing very much faster than Intel and they needed to be pulled back in the interests of competition.
But Intel has not arrested AMD's growth, they have not set them back to the way it was during the Bulldozer days, which is probably what Intel wanted, which means this competition is baked in, so Intel will have to continue with these much reduced margins indefinitely and still not stop AMD.
This is fantastic.
AMD won't repeat bulldozer era, it isn't small company anymore. They have resources, knowledge, money, they bought Xilinx which will expand market for them, and battle will continue in 2022 too. And about Intel margins, yeah, ADL is completely new architecture which cost lots of money, and they offered them for cheaper than AMD product, they had to give up much of the profits. AMD have lots of space for price cuts, it is old architecture on mature node with excellent yield so for them price cuts is easier than for Intel, and with first round of price cuts they regain top positions. Based on that AMD don't need to release Zen 3D, or rush with Zen 4,especially not in April which some leaks suggest.
Soldato
After 480 days or 68 weeks since the 5xxx series launched only having to drop the price now goes to show how far the competition was behind in price/performance though, so how about balancing that with how much Intel were milking off their customers for years, or will that be AMD's fault for not competing?
Yeah, and Intel still dind't win with completely new architecture, AMD with first price cut retained top sales position, and we talk about old architecture. Zen 3 when released is perfect example what it means to win, you have leading performance, high prices so high margin, and still dominates in sales in every major IT retailer despite higher prices, while Intel with ADL only have leading performance, but lower prices so lower margin, and still don't beat Zen 3 in sales, Intel CEO is very unhappy with current situation, no wonder he spend so much time in twitter melting down.