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Intel kills 10nm ?? oO

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https://semiaccurate.com/2018/10/22/intel-kills-off-the-10nm-process/

I know its SA but Charlie been right on many occasions.

What Do You think guys??

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This would be very interesting thing if true.
 
I hope not. Intel are flogging the dead horse with the 14nm process, people aren't surely going to buy a 10th gen if it's still on 14nm.
 
Lot of possibilities - wouldn't surprise me if with the recent reshuffle of management, etc. it has come to light that things were more inept that it seemed and would be chucking good money after bad to try and sort it out. One of the major hurdles other than corporate issues seems to be that the process was over-ambitious for DUV but EUV is so close now it wouldn't make much sense in that regard to bin it so close.

On the other hand it could be they've decided to redirect efforts now into bringing 7nm upto scratch as they've lost the 3 year advantage on the competition that they set out to accomplish with 10nm.

I don't hold much stock by SA these days though - while sometimes they are right on information no one else has even heard of they seem to spend more time trying to smear Intel and nVidia than anything else when it comes to these topics - all the doom and gloom they were peddling over nVidia back along for instance turned out to be largely wrong.
 
Intel has spend so much money and time on developing their 10nm process so this is just :eek: :eek: :eek:
Last time we heard about their 10nm process was rumors that they had fixed one of their issues.

If this is actually true it's big news, and not to mention good news for AMD :p
 
If correct, then it's a good thing. Sure it means a process is further away but there are two options. Continue 'developing' a process which actually doesn't work or start making good decisions like killing off a node which doesn't work and make a node that does work.

So spend 2 more years trying to make 10nm work, or put that 2 years towards making 7nm work sooner.

Funnily enough a 7nm using EUV would be much easier than a 10nm without it. Though unless you want extremely slow output you really can't make a full EUV chip. Currently EUV wafer output is far slower, roughly 4 times longer, so the more layers you make with EUV over quad patterning the lower your wafer output overall. It's a mix between doing critical layers and the rest on quad patterning. So the reality is almost everyone's EUV processes are really a mix of quad patterning and EUV.

Most rumours put cobalt in the metal layers, the 34nm fin pitch, the 36nm metal pitch, the contact gate being different and having cobalt also as reasons for the process not working. So the likely reality is a bigger node, cobalt removed, going back to the old gate design and being no where near as aggressive on the fin/metal pitch, maybe moving to more Samsung 10nm, so 44-46 metal pitch should all make a fairly simple and quick to get out process and as said it would be more like a 11-12nm process with most of the supposed improvements Intel were making for 10nm being removed.

I wouldn't be surprised if they started to work towards a 7nm without cobalt being used, with EUV on critical layers as basically Samsung/TSMC are all doing, but based on the fact that Samsung is starting to ship that this year and TSMC will start shipping EUV chips next year, Intel is going to end up miles behind.

The other major issue is the restructure, they got rid of the guy who failed hard leading this process nodes production. But they've also structured it in such a way that the manufacturing arm is now separately managed from the rest of the company....... such that, it's ready to be sold in the maybe not too distance future.

I'm predicting TSMC or Samsung gaining a few fabs in the near future.

Also worth noting that Intel has seemingly stopped working with Micron in terms of developing future joint memory products. They are no longer working with Micron to develop Xpoint (maybe dead, or still potentially developing it further themselves while maybe Micro is the one who wants out).
 
Someone else mentioned the planned Intel 7nm fab in another thread but it seems a lot of resources got redirected from that to Israel probably to try and get 10nm on track so I suspect it isn't much more than an empty building at this point.
 
Rroff said:
I suspect it is more Micron wants out for a number of reasons.
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Micron don't seem very interested in Xpoint for sure, but having a joint venture with Intel helps them shape and get a headstart on all things related to memory with Intel. Quitting the joint venture itself over just xpoint is strange when you want to keep developing things like HMC and whatever Intel intends to use in the future. Of course Xpoint kinda failed, HMC has gone absolutely no where while Intel's first volume product using EMIB... uses HBM memory and only connects that to an AMD chip, not even the Intel die.

SO at some point Micron have to think is it worth developing stuff with Intel if Intel continually **** it up?
 
doodah said:
Hhhhhmm how are they going to sell this to the shareholders?
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We totally didn't know this interim CEO was going to do this and he also, errm, deleted some important information so we can't just reverse the decision, but we can fire him with a big exit package and well we just so happen to have a permanent CEO lined up ready to start from tomorrow. SO again, totally not our fault, interim CEO went crazy, coincidence that the new guy was ready to take over and the 30mil one time payment to the interim CEO.... again a coincidence.


That's what fall guys are for.
 
Pretty sure they would have normally ignored this article if it had no truth to it at all, maybe it's not a full cancellation just a huge scale back of the products going to be used. Can't be seen to be letting the general public knowing, before an offical announcement to the share holders/stock market.
 
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