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Linus makes some very valid points and does not seem impressed with how X299 is being released.
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Intel launches Core-X series with up to 18-cores for 1999 USD
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I agree with Linus also. All this X299 CPU lineup looks rushed.
The Kabylake-X makes no sense on this platform, while if the Asus dude is right, the top of the range X299 CPUs will come out next year!
So it will be released with up to 10 cores this year.
But for me the most annoying is that mobo manufacturers are creating 10-15 boards each for the X299, while X399 at best going to have 2-3 boards per manufacturer.
And possibly half job with limited features.
The Kabylake-X makes no sense on this platform, while if the Asus dude is right, the top of the range X299 CPUs will come out next year!
So it will be released with up to 10 cores this year.
But for me the most annoying is that mobo manufacturers are creating 10-15 boards each for the X299, while X399 at best going to have 2-3 boards per manufacturer.
And possibly half job with limited features.
Yeah, look at the chart on the front page. Intel was only ever planning to release 10/12 cores till thread ripper was announced. Now they are trying repurpose xeon to work on x299. Guessing that motherboards will need a bios update for these chips to work.So the current rumour mill suggests the high end I9 are delayed according to this
Did AMD just blindside Intel?
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Honestly i think I'll end up sticking with my 5820k until next year at least, pretty sure Coffeelake/Skylake-x won't be worth a whole platform change in terms of performance on the whole, at least if not getting a higher core count. I look forward to seeing benchmarks and stuff but i think I might just wait for Icelake at least, since it'll be a new architecture and may actually show decent gains.
I'm surprised that you can get DLC for your hardware now. Who thought locking off different RAID features is a good idea.
I have no doubt that Intel would not have offered anything above 10c, maybe 12c at a push, if AMD had not release Ryzen and their Threadripper plans. It is therefore not surprising if they are scrambling to get these parts together (basically higher clocked Xeons) and they won't come out at X299 launch.So the current rumour mill suggests the high end I9 are delayed according to this
Did AMD just blindside Intel?
just watched this and he's right, the more info that seeps out about the x299 the less and less sense it makes what intel is doing. its like they are trying to maximise sales on pure server stuff while also trying to see this stuff on top. let alone the whole kaby lake cpus which will be surpassed come coffee lake, hell even now just go for a z270 and buy a 7700k and save a packet. god only knows what they have planned for coffee lake now though.
I'm with you ,I was looking forward to this my wallet is red hot .
But the more I see and hear the less I like it . Paying over £900 possibly for a chip that can give 40+ PCIE lanes to replace my 5930k is not an option I would pick .
May have to ditch SLI and go back to single cards ,although given the poor support that may be a good thing anyway .
And the new ASUS Rampage Extreme has taken RGB to level I don't like or need ,I just hope it can be turned off .
So, looking at the information available around the Internet, Intel have confirmed there will be delayed availability on the i9-7920X (12c), and there seems to be rumors, with confirmation from Asus that the highest end parts will not be available for sometime, possibly even towards the end or the year or even Q1 '18. So no, 12, 14, 16, 18 core CPU's for sometime, seems pretty rushed out to me.
That leaves the poor value 10 core part at $999 as their highest chip to be available at launch, or the more sensibly prices 8 core part at $599, but that only supports 28 PCI-E lanes, so is pretty pants to be fair. It looks like Intel really have scored a own goal with this line up, and release schedule.
That leaves the poor value 10 core part at $999 as their highest chip to be available at launch, or the more sensibly prices 8 core part at $599, but that only supports 28 PCI-E lanes, so is pretty pants to be fair. It looks like Intel really have scored a own goal with this line up, and release schedule.
So, looking at the information available around the Internet, Intel have confirmed there will be delayed availability on the i9-7920X (12c), and there seems to be rumors, with confirmation from Asus that the highest end parts will not be available for sometime, possibly even towards the end or the year or even Q1 '18. So no, 12, 14, 16, 18 core CPU's for sometime, seems pretty rushed out to me.
That leaves the poor value 10 core part at $999 as their highest chip to be available at launch, or the more sensibly prices 8 core part at $599, but that only supports 28 PCI-E lanes, so is pretty pants to be fair. It looks like Intel really have scored a own goal with this line up, and release schedule.
And lets not forget the article from Guru3D today
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/co...up-to-10-cores-first-does-4-3-ghz-on-lcs.html
Given their price points, picking I9 X299 over R9 X399 makes no sense, especially if the R9 16c/32t comes out with the rumoured ~$850 RRP.
While all R9 lineup has 64 PCI-e lanes, and quad channel support, and mobos going to be compatible with the Zen+ lineup. (and possibly be able to stick the 32c/64t EPYC server CPU on the boards).
Also with current AGESA 1006 supporting up to 4000mhz ram, and since all chips are the same SOC chips used on the Ryzen 7 lineup, I would love to see the performance of the Infinity Fabric with 4000Mhz quad channel RAM. It is all down to the mobo manufacturers to support that high ram speeds :/
Threadripper is up to 64 PCIe lanes, right? I don't think we know yet whether they will cripple the lower end SKUs like Intel does though.So, looking at the information available around the Internet, Intel have confirmed there will be delayed availability on the i9-7920X (12c), and there seems to be rumors, with confirmation from Asus that the highest end parts will not be available for sometime, possibly even towards the end or the year or even Q1 '18. So no, 12, 14, 16, 18 core CPU's for sometime, seems pretty rushed out to me.
That leaves the poor value 10 core part at $999 as their highest chip to be available at launch, or the more sensibly prices 8 core part at $599, but that only supports 28 PCI-E lanes, so is pretty pants to be fair. It looks like Intel really have scored a own goal with this line up, and release schedule.
So, looking at the information available around the Internet, Intel have confirmed there will be delayed availability on the i9-7920X (12c), and there seems to be rumors, with confirmation from Asus that the highest end parts will not be available for sometime, possibly even towards the end or the year or even Q1 '18. So no, 12, 14, 16, 18 core CPU's for sometime, seems pretty rushed out to me.
That leaves the poor value 10 core part at $999 as their highest chip to be available at launch, or the more sensibly prices 8 core part at $599, but that only supports 28 PCI-E lanes, so is pretty pants to be fair. It looks like Intel really have scored a own goal with this line up, and release schedule.
Yeah it seems they've been caught napping again.
No crippling. All chips are 64 lanes, i believe has been confirmed
All Ryzen 9 have 64 lanes, with 48 dedicated to GPUs.Not "up to" here.
So 3 x 16 CF/SLI will work nicely.
Any more is irrelevant for Nvidia since they do not support more than 3 way SLI these days
The Intel Lineup stated up to 44, but they haven't said yet how many dedicated to GPU.
There could be only 32 or even less like 24.
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So, looking at the information available around the Internet, Intel have confirmed there will be delayed availability on the i9-7920X (12c), and there seems to be rumors, with confirmation from Asus that the highest end parts will not be available for sometime, possibly even towards the end or the year or even Q1 '18. So no, 12, 14, 16, 18 core CPU's for sometime, seems pretty rushed out to me.
That leaves the poor value 10 core part at $999 as their highest chip to be available at launch, or the more sensibly prices 8 core part at $599, but that only supports 28 PCI-E lanes, so is pretty pants to be fair. It looks like Intel really have scored a own goal with this line up, and release schedule.
14-18C was definitely added last minute in response. I think to recall they were going to add a 12C SKU from the beginning albeit released much later.
I don't think the 7900X is poor value at all; it's $700 cheaper than its previous gen counterpart and higher specs.
Regarding the PCIe lanes on the 7820X, I can see how having 28 can be problematic to those in need of as much lanes as they can get. For me personally, as a single GPU user and a single upcoming M.2, 28 is fine and allowed the CPU to be cheaper. However, speaking in general, it would have been nicer if they kept 44 lanes on all Skylake-X parts.
Not necessarily factual (hearsay); there's also a video on YT where a guy, albeit poorly setup, has a 7900X @ 4.5GHz at something like 1.2v... The latter seems more in line with expectations given the architecture.
I am eyeing either the more affordable 7820X or 7900X with either being a very nice upgrade from what I have got based on more cores with similar clocks and hyperthreading alone.
Side note: We know neither the performance (*and price nor specs other than core count!!) for AMD TR* or Intel Core X.
Saying that it is cheaper than the previous generation doesn't make it better/good value. It is still a poor value.
Performance of AMD TR is partially known. The blender demo shows near perfect scaling between the 8C and 16C parts. You can do a reasonable extrapolation from that for other multi-threaded apps.
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Value - do elaborate please
I prefer independent reviews and neither trust demos from AMD, Intel or whichever company because they will always show a perfect product.