Intel plans to support FreeSync.

queamin · 21 Aug 2015 at 12:42

One is a open standard and the other isn't, Nvidia can use the open standard if they want .

Howling · 21 Aug 2015 at 12:43

andybird123 said:
as it stands, both adaptive sync and gsync "lock you in" to a single GPU vendor, so if potentially selling to buy new hardware puts you "in jail" then you shouldn't buy either, but lots of people are so I can only guess that Marine's view is not representative of the market as a whole

I think the difference is one of them locks you in and you're paying £150 premium for it. The other locks you in free of charge.

maonayze · 21 Aug 2015 at 13:37

Howling said:
I think the difference is one of them locks you in and you're paying £150 premium for it. The other locks you in free of charge.

Definitely cant argue with that statement. But I just dont get why Nvidia owners get so worked up and invade a thread to derail it just because it has the words "AMD", "FURY", "FURY X", "FIJI" or "FREESYNC" in the title.

They do it all the time....it really is getting boring now.

I got no problem with interesting technical discussion as when that does happen, it's great and lots contribute to it and we all learn something even if there is some negative comment to some technical aspect.

However, all this "My Dad is Bigger, Stronger, Faster than your dad" is plainly daft and wastes time. Lets all make our choices for Monitors/GFX cards and enjoy them, without having to belittle someone else's choices.

Anyways Gregster, didnt you get 2 or 3...maybe 4 Fury X's or something? Not all of us can afford to do that and not all of us can afford to change our kit as often as we would like to, so I would say it is more difficult for many to go selling and buying new monitors as well as new GFX cards.

Some of us have to think very hard about what gear we buy as we will have to use that gear for a good few years before we upgrade again. So having to decide to be locked in to whichever side you choose to be locked into for both GFX cards and Monitors is more of a big pain in the backside than it used to be.

If Nvidia were to adapt the DP Vesa Standard so that I could use my BenQ XL2730Z for Adaptive Refresh Rates....then I would be very tempted to get a 980Ti at this moment in time. Right now I have a 280X and I am waiting to get a new GFX card at the end of the month. I will be buying a Fury card because I had to make a choice when I bought the monitor......so you see it does make things harder for some of us.

andybird123 · 21 Aug 2015 at 13:42

maonayze said:
Definitely cant argue with that statement. But I just dont get why Nvidia owners get so worked up and invade a thread to derail it just because it has the words "AMD", "FURY", "FURY X", "FIJI" or "FREESYNC" in the title.

They do it all the time....it really is getting boring now.

I got no problem with interesting technical discussion as when that does happen, it's great and lots contribute to it and we all learn something even if there is some negative comment to some technical aspect.

However, all this "My Dad is Bigger, Stronger, Faster than your dad" is plainly daft and wastes time. Lets all make our choices for Monitors/GFX cards and enjoy them, without having to belittle someone else's choices.

Anyways Gregster, didnt you get 2 or 3...maybe 4 Fury X's or something? Not all of us can afford to do that and not all of us can afford to change our kit as often as we would like to, so I would say it is more difficult for many to go selling and buying new monitors as well as new GFX cards.

Some of us have to think very hard about what gear we buy as we will have to use that gear for a good few years before we upgrade again. So having to decide to be locked in to whichever side you choose to be locked into for both GFX cards and Monitors is more of a big pain in the backside than it used to be.

If Nvidia were to adapt the DP Vesa Standard so that I could use my BenQ XL2730Z for Adaptive Refresh Rates....then I would be very tempted to get a 980Ti at this moment in time. Right now I have a 280X and I am waiting to get a new GFX card at the end of the month. I will be buying a Fury card because I had to make a choice when I bought the monitor......so you see it does make things harder for some of us.

I think you need to go back and read page one, the "AMD Freesync vs. Nvidia Gsync" was started by an AMD supporter having a go at Gsync

drunkenmaster said:
This was obviously going to happen though a bit inaccurate, freesync is the AMD software side. Intel won't support it but they will support adaptive sync and yes, open standards for the win.

Will Intel come up with their own name and have screens branded with it is the question, will they charge to certify the screens as Nvidia do with sli/gsync/3dvision, as that is pretty much the biggest cost.

Hopefully we will be in a situation where any adaptive sync screen will free of charge get certified with AMD and Intel with no additional costs. At some point in the future Nvidia will cave when you have two basically identical screens, one supports all Intel and AMD apu/gpus and costs £100+ less than the other screen that likely only supports Nvidia gsync.

This is the thing about open standards, Intel is adopting adaptive sync which isn't owned by AMD, this both looks better for Intel and they can have more faith in something AMD doesn't control. Lets say Intel licenced Gsync from Nvidia in some fashion and incorporated hardware/software to allow them to use the screens. One Intel would be seen as only providing it thanks to Nvidia and they are subject to any changes Nvidia make in the future.

Why is 3d dead? Because you have two GPU makers and one kept trying to force the industry to go with a closed standard, beyond a few titles people just weren't interested in working towards a closed standard.

Howling · 21 Aug 2015 at 13:49

Doesn't look like "having a go" - looks more like describing the different business tactic. Nothing he said there is derogatory to nVidia. If you find it as a negative, then obviously you think nVidia practices are bad.

layte · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:09

maonayze said:
Definitely cant argue with that statement. But I just dont get why Nvidia owners get so worked up and invade a thread to derail it just because it has the words "AMD", "FURY", "FURY X", "FIJI" or "FREESYNC" in the title.

They do it all the time....it really is getting boring now.

You should probably go back and read the first bunch of posts of this thread. The only people who mentioned Nvidia at all were those looking to put the boot into them or make snide comments in full knowledge of the response it would bring.

Things went downhill from there until we got to the stage where ludicrous individuals were comparing Nvidia's business tactics to ISIS atrocities. I think at that point it's abandon thread time.

For anyone who does care, Tom's recently did a test comparing G-Sync and Freesync displays utilising the same panel. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-freesync-versus-nvidia-g-sync-reader-event,review-33278.html

Gregster · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:19

I actually felt that this thread had been a very good debate and some very good points from both camps, aside from some silly comments. Oh well, what do I know lol

Mauller · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:19

The thread is only over once someone compares 'Exibit a' to the 'National Socialist German Workers Party'

And on a note with that Toms article, while the technologies might sync the framerates, you will still get latency issues and driver hitching making things not as smooth as they could be. But that should dissapear with DX12.

I wonder if they ran the BF4 test using mantle on the 390X, it might have made a difference to the results due to the smoother frame delivery before it even gets to the monitor.

Considering that Nvidia have lower DX11 overheads resulting in smoother frame delivery. etc.

melmac · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:28

Harlequin said:
then how do the mobile parts do it.... Nv could use freesync but wont , because they want money from selling gsync licences

bru said:
I believed this was the case also, but as has been said the mobile version of GSync is actually using variable refresh rate, without the Gsync module, so this must be a implementation of NVidia using Adaptive-Sync.

You both misunderstand, the reason it works on mobile parts is because of the eDP specification. That's the embedded display port specification. And it's a requirement not optional. It was a requirement because of the power savings that can be gained.

That means any mobile graphic card using embedded display port 1.3 has all the necessary hardware to connect to an adaptive sync display.

Desktop cards and monitors had no need of this hardware until now.

D.P. · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:32

Mauller said:
The thread is only over once someone compares 'Exibit a' to the 'National Socialist German Workers Party'

And on a note with that Toms article, while the technologies might sync the framerates, you will still get latency issues and driver hitching making things not as smooth as they could be. But that should dissapear with DX12.

I wonder if they ran the BF4 test using mantle on the 390X, it might have made a difference to the results due to the smoother frame delivery before it even gets to the monitor.

Considering that Nvidia have lower DX11 overheads resulting in smoother frame delivery. etc.

A certain troll tried his best to invoke Godwin's law by comparing nvidia to ISIS

Harlequin · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:33

its a shame NVidia are behind the times with DP1.2 and not the newest spec

fs123 · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:45

Seriously can anyone tell me which 'open' gpu technology Nvidia has ever developed?

Everything I hear about is proprietary so far.

Ian Evey · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:50

You get what you pay for!

Mauller · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:52

fs123 said:
Seriously can anyone tell me which 'open' gpu technology Nvidia has ever developed?

Everything I hear about is proprietary so far.

None that i can think off the top of my head, they did release the first gpu in 1999 with Hardware based 'Transform & Lighting'. But the majority of the rest of their tech was acquired through acquisitions.

D.P. · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:53

Harlequin said:
its a shame NVidia are behind the times with DP1.2 and not the newest spec

Nvidia does have the newest spec. Adaptive sync is only an optional part of the spec.

When you make such statements you really are opening a big can of worms, where is AMds support for HDMI 2.0?

Harlequin · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:54

D.P. said:
Nvidia does have the newest spec. Adaptive sync is only an optional part of the spec.

When you make such statements you really are opening a big can of worms, where is AMds support for HDMI 2.0?

fun game this

- but DP 1.2a supports 4k60hz - and my tv has DP

- hdmi is so old tech

D.P. · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:54

fs123 said:
Seriously can anyone tell me which 'open' gpu technology Nvidia has ever developed?

Everything I hear about is proprietary so far.

Nvidia is a far bigger support of openGL than AMD is for starters.

You can freely download the physX source code
https://developer.nvidia.com/physx-source-github

fs123 · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:57

D.P. said:
Nvidia does have the newest spec. Adaptive sync is only an optional part of the spec.

When you make such statements you really are opening a big can of worms, where is AMds support for HDMI 2.0?

Difference here is that AMD probably had an oversight and will most likely implement HDMI 2.0 in their next gpus and have no reason not to. Nvidia on the other hand will not support Adaptive sync since they have a rival technology, Gsync, which will be killed if they did.

D.P. · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:58

Harlequin said:
fun game this - but DP 1.2a supports 4k60hz - and my tv has DP - hdmi is so old tech

Most 4K TVs support HDMI2.0 and not DP1.2a.

fs123 · 21 Aug 2015 at 14:59

D.P. said:
Nvidia is a far bigger support of openGL than AMD is for starters.

Lol, OpenGL was not invented by Nvidia. :rolleyes:

My question was which technology they invented (like Gsync, Physx, etc) is open?

Cpu Physx may be free but gpu physx certainly isn't. Can't see any games with gpu physx for AMD and even the new games like Arkham Knight do not allow advanced Physx on AMD..