Or they could just stop faffing around and deliver a product that is as good as it can be, rather than as cheap as they can make it... Their big CPUs this year have an awful reputation for heat, they're going to have to do something about that sooner or later. Maybe Ryzen+ can deliver enough of a kick in the pants to make them sort it out.
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Intel Preps Core i7 9700k 8 core 16 Thread Mainstream CPU
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Or they could just stop faffing around and deliver a product that is as good as it can be, rather than as cheap as they can make it... Their big CPUs this year have an awful reputation for heat, they're going to have to do something about that sooner or later. Maybe Ryzen+ can deliver enough of a kick in the pants to make them sort it out.
Clock a ryzen cpu to 4.5-5.0 and see what the temps are like. At 3.8 my 1700 was around 70c under realbench. Clock an i7 to that speed and it will be roughly the same or cooler.
Yes tim is worse than solder but the difference isn't as big as people would have you believe
What has AMD got to do with it lol.
The question is do the Intel chips have better temps with stock Tim or with a delid? The answer as we all know is the latter. How much would it cost Intel to apply a decent liquid metal over the stuff they currently use? Even if only on their k versions, customers wouldn’t have to pay stupid money for a 3rd party version and would be able to retain full warranty.
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Intel have really muddled them selves up recently. Too many product launches superseding each other. Hard to tell the wood from the trees.
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That's what I think too. I don't think the latest Intel gen needs solder. For the majority of CPU's the standard Intel TIM applied is probably not the limiting factor.
I'm quite impressed how high the current Intel chips seem clock. 10 cores for example at 4.9 is pretty good going for supposedly "hot" running chips even at stock speeds....and done with TIM.
plz dont tell me you go by LTT's latest delid video.
No I'm going by my own cpus that I actually own.
Because they do use solder. That's the only reason I bought that up, that ok?
The reason they use TIM is because of longevity. Or so they say. Is LM viable after 5 years? Has anyone used it for more than 5 years?
My point stands, people complain about heat but they are certainly cooler than ryzen at the same clock speeds.
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Just seems strange. Ryzen is not thermally limited so clockspeed is irrelevant. Intel however is as we've been having this discussion for quite a while now so your comments are rather strange.
Forget the solder that is just a method. Intels current method is not very good hence the need to delid in order to be able to push the chip at sensible temps. If your selling a premium product at premium prices then it's not too much to ask for solder, especially when your main competitor can do it and still sell theirs for much less.
Stop being an apologist for them Gavin your encouraging the problem where as 6 months ago you were criticizing them for it.
In 8packs own words
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-5ghz-and-above-available-from-ocuk.18795256/
And this is one of your previous messages regarding Intel and it's HEDT lineup.
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It is a problem, I've never said otherwise. However thinking solder will solve the issue is wrong, ryzen is just as hot at lower speeds.
I think we are at the limit of silicon. Even with LM a cpu doing 80-90c is not what I'd call good.
Why are you still mentioning Ryzen? It's a different Cpu on a completely different process which regardless of clock speed doesn't have thermal issues.
The reality is we know Intel can do better and have sacrificed better thermals for better profit margins. End of.
Hopefully they will be able to either refine 14nm yet again or shrink the process node if tthey want to keep clock speed the same while adding 2 more cores.
As said they are the 14nm cpu that is soldered. Temps aren't great there either.
We don't know it's for profits, it's all speculation like everything else on this forum.
This may be the last decent Intel chip in a while.
Intel's 10nm is still currently worse than Intel 14nm++.
Hence why Cannonlake on dekstop isn't being released any time soon.
Intel are supposedly pinning their hopes on 10nm+ solving all problems.
Intel's 10nm is still currently worse than Intel 14nm++.
Hence why Cannonlake on dekstop isn't being released any time soon.
Intel are supposedly pinning their hopes on 10nm+ solving all problems.
I agree. 10nm isn't looking that hot.
Even then 10nm+ will be equal to 14nm++. See transistor performance chart.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11722/intel-reveals-ice-lake-core-architecture-10nm-plus
Yep, this 8700k should keep me going for a while.
The temps are fine it’s not thermally limited, I’m not sure why your having trouble understanding this. They are inline with what you get when you delid intel.
The reason they gave was because soldered would decrease yields, so yes it’s a financial decision not to improve the performance for the customer.
Thermal limited or not, it temps are not that great on a soldered 14nm CPU clocked 1ghz less. What don't you understand that?
Have a read of this http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/
I don't believe for one second that its purely based on cost.