Intel to drop overclocking for mainstream Nehalems

[WillSpengler]

500,000 at say £150 each = £750 million, hardly a figure to scoff at

a significant enough share of the market to care about

It's a lot of money, but a small percentage of the overall. And when it comes down to it, companies will work with percentages, not cash sums.

ALSO, IT MAY BE DUE TO TOLERANCES! It isnt always about "da man" trying to screw people over!

That kind of money is peanuts. Also remember that Intel will be selling to distributers at a fraction of the price the chips go for. And that OCUK etc are probably buying from a distributer before selling it on. Each of them is making a profit on the chips.

 

[WillSpengler]

Probably about right: cobalt atoms sit around 4Angstroms apart, so Copper would be somewhere in that region. I think you need to refer to Silicon's, too, but hey.

It was just as a general hint of size, couldnt think of silicon off hand, thought we will need to move away from that soon. Fullerene tubes anyone?!

So what will Intel lose out on by restricted overclocking to a budget platform? Probably not even enough for an accountant to distinguish between it and normal market fluctuations.

+1

 

[MTA99]

500,000 at say £150 each = £750 million, hardly a figure to scoff at

a significant enough share of the market to care about

OK, if we're playing "pick numbers out the air to prove a point" game, its my turn

Intel spend £25,000,000 on sponsorship of sports event and as a result of the marketing 2,500,000 people go out and buy an Intel based machine making £50 for intel = £125 million

 

[martian_aphid]

ok at least my figures where reasonable who buys a pc cos of sponsorship ;P But figures aside cos who cares about an accountant especially one that works for intel, we are enthusiasts here, we dont care about intels profit margins but about how we are being catered for with their products

ps they need to hire some better accountants if they spend 250billion on sponsorship to get 125million in revenue ;P

 

[J.D]

It's 75 million and not 750 million by the way. The CPU's would have to be £1,500 in order for 500,000 to accumulate to 750 million quid.

 

[WillSpengler]

ok at least my figures where reasonable who buys a pc cos of sponsorship ;P But figures aside cos who cares about an accountant especially one that works for intel, we are enthusiasts here, we dont care about intels profit margins but about how we are being catered for with their products

ps they need to hire some better accountants if they spend 250billion on sponsorship to get 125million in revenue ;P

Also, £25,000,000 is 25 million . . .

But the original sum is wrong anyway, 250,000 x £50 gives 12.5 million.


Maths isnt the strong point in this thread

 

[martian_aphid]

who put 750

too many 0s on the calc

ok my maths is **** today, still interesting discussion

 

[WillSpengler]

Either way, the enthusiast market makes up a small proportion of total profits. While this seems like a huge amount of money to us, it isnt to the company.

I wouldn't want to see Intel's R&D bills!

 

[milkinc13]

If Intel do this then surely they will lose performace crows not just from stock speeds, but thoese dedicated users who buy chips and nock the pants oof of them then post benchmarks and Intel can currently say "we good at stock and oh look we have the highest benchmark score in 3Dmark 06 and other benchmarks" so they will lose bragging rights. personally i think the MB makers will find a way around this, otherwise they won't product high-end boards, and lost out on the high end market which by their standards isn't that big, but it fuels progress

 

[Big.Wayne]

Haha funny Thread!

So will www.overclockers.co.uk change their website address to www.stockcpu.co.uk

I do read fudzilla but you have to take some of their stories with a large pinch of salt.

If INTEL can actually prevent overclocking I wonder what would happen to the industry as a whole, I mean who would need performance watercooling and such like? The spin-off/associated overclocking business is pretty large now.

Also as has already been mentioned it may be possible for various motherboard manuafcturers to get around this as they have done in the past but perhaps INTEL would threaten legal action or such like?

**** happens!

 

[martian_aphid]

yea, but assuming the reports are true, you are right the overclocking community should create enough demand that surely someone will target it as a market.

 

[MTA99]

ok at least my figures where reasonable who buys a pc cos of sponsorship

About 75% of the market according to a quick google Its in Intel's interest to remain in the public eye, to keep the "do do do do doooo" jingle ringing in consumers minds whenever they see the Intel logo. Don't underestimate the amount large companies spend on marketing!!

 

[Energize]

Intel know that enthusiasts wouldn't buy their higher priced cpus anyway even if they couldn't overclock because they can't afford to, hence why people aren't buying their high end cpus and clocking ever further. So it must be another reason.

 

[martian_aphid]

I don't doubt that MTA, I was being sarcastic to the notion of those who purchase on advertising, etc rather than based on performance. In reaction to the previous statement about stockcpu.co.uk I think the interesting point is; where will the overclocking field grow, at least in the cpu arena, when even both intel and amd begin to hit the theoretical limits of 22nm.

 

[amkan13]

they're just letting amd back into the game for the low/mid end enthusiast market.
talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Richie P]

While true this is pure FUD.

Since when have Intel allowed overclocking? It's always 'voided your warranty' and been impossible on Intel motherboards, with the very short list of exceptions being the D975XBX, D975XBX2 and Skulltrail boards.

I'm sure all the article means is that Intel won't be offering an overclocking motherboard. Big deal. Don't think that won't mean Asus, DFI, Gigabyte, MSI etc etc won't let you overclock.

Calm down guys, move along.

PS. I'm surprised it took someone 55 replies to realise this.

 

[Nickolai]

Intel won't really affect the 'enthusiasts' at all

My dad uses an old 1.5ghz sempron
My brother has a P4 single core
My mate has a Sempron and his family has an althonxp

All low end sort of things

Dual core is the norm at the moment which i would imagine if a family went out today and went to a pc shop, bought a pc they would end up with one

Quad core is imo current high end which most enthusiasts have

when intel release these new chips i doubt that many enthusiasts would buy the lga1122 or whatever it is and probably buy the bloomfield variant simply for the better features and i think this would happen regardless of overclocking features on the lower end parts which would end up as a family pc surfing ebay, reading the news on yahoo or playing some solitaire

its like nvidia removing overclockability from there 8600's and the other low end cards, no one would care because those people that would buy those cards wouldn't overclock anyways.

I'm shattered so probably typing like a clown so i apologize if the idea of my point hasn't come across very well

 

[Nickolai]

The guy who posted above me has a good point

and i'm not talking about myself lol the guy above that

 

[Fothsn]

Hundreds of thousands, while a huge number is only a tiny fraction of billions. Also see my reply below . . .




Take it neither of you cared to read into my other post? Where I said that it could be due to the increasing tolerances required for chips. And that they won't be too bothered as it will only affect a small %-age.

We are moving down to 45nm scale process on chips now. To improve architechture they are also moving the CMOS processes closer together. The theoretical limit is going to be 22nm. The problem is that getting this small introduces many funky factors (read up on Quantum Tunnelling). So it will be required to introduce and maintain tight tolerances on chips.

And as a point of scale, a single copper atom is ~0.25 (or is it 0.5?) nm.

Hi mate, sorry about that I didn’t miss your post nor ignore it just got side distracted playing on TDU

I think you are on the right line about the tolerance limit of the chips being reached and Intel trying to do something like stop us clocking the lower end chips etc..



Edit/ To the poster above this is all speculation of course as nothing has come from Intel, but this is a discussion board and we discuss

 

[theforce]

Intel if it was a smarter company would actually continue this trend for as long as it takes for AMD to go bunkrupt and then start doing as they want like preventing overclokcing .etc If Intel states that no overclocking should be done of their CPU's then an agreement could simply prevent anybody from introducing features on ther motherboard that would allow us to overclock.
While the percentage of people who actually overclock is quite small, that percentage dictates a larger market who are the overclockers friend. A person who overclocks his CPU or other parts is generally the person his friends will consult before going out and buying the PC parts. Most people that have such friends also don't PC OEM PC's but give money to their friend to have their PC build so we can see that by ******* off enthusiasts then they don't only loose them but also the people who are related with them. Also don't forget how often an entusiast upgrades his PC and how often does a company or an everage user.
Surely AMD shall be praying for such a thing to happen since that will allow them to get the entusiast market back.