Intel Vs AMD

[rxmac]

For £70 the closest priced intel chip (e5200), at stock, wont touch the X2 6000 so unless you plan on doing some heavy tweaking go for the X2.

 

[kppanic]

I like Intel right now in the sense that I can always get rid of my E2180 down the road and then pop in an E8600 or whatever CPU might be out there in a year or two, considering that I won't touch Nehalem platform for at least two years.

Is the same option available for AMD right now? Could "I" get a cheapy AMD platform and then consider a decent upgrade one year down the road?

 

[UniqueID]

i hate these comparisons!
i have both, never had problems with either
most people overclock intel chips quite well from what i see, so if your that way inclined go for that. but amd works fine too.

 

[Final8y]

I like Intel right now in the sense that I can always get rid of my E2180 down the road and then pop in an E8600 or whatever CPU might be out there in a year or two, considering that I won't touch Nehalem platform for at least two years.

Is the same option available for AMD right now? Could "I" get a cheapy AMD platform and then consider a decent upgrade one year down the road?

What gave you the impression that you could not upgrade an AMD cpu a year or 2 down the line with a given socket in the first place, you can still buy AMD dual core 939 socket cpus,

 

[kppanic]

What gave you the impression that you could not upgrade an AMD cpu a year or 2 down the line with a given socket in the first place, you can still buy AMD dual core 939 socket cpus,

I got the impression from the fact that Intel has higher options readily available where AMD tends to lose its shine.

What AMD chip could possibly beat an E8x00 series? And what's up with the "AMD" defending tone that you posted with? I finished my post with an honest question and asked if AMD had similar path available. What would you suggest?

 

[Final8y]

I got the impression from the fact that Intel has higher options readily available where AMD tends to lose its shine.

What AMD chip could possibly beat an E8x00 series? And what's up with the "AMD" defending tone that you posted with? I finished my post with an honest question and asked if AMD had similar path available. What would you suggest?

If you look at the first reply by me in this thread will see i recommended the E8X00, so i don't know what your point is there.

There was no tone.
I would not say that saying that people that are still using 939 that may have a single or low end dual core that they can upgrade to i higher end dual at this present time defending when i thought the point of your post was longevity of a socket.
Ask i asked an honest question.
AM2+ board can take an AM3 chip so there would not be an drop in upgrade problem for quite some time.

 

[Bleek]

I wouldn't look at the 6000+ as said they run hot but if you want budget bang and you have an AMD platform already the 5000+ Black Edition is a great clocker, 10 months back I picked one up for £60 new and hit 3.5GHz on air, ran relatively 'cool' considering too.

Not sure why you'd need more than 3.5GHz dual core to be honest, paired with the 4870 it runs everything I throw at it including Crysis on high detail.

 

[domthecondom]

I used to be an AMD Person and then changed to Intel, due to reviews and Benchmarks.

=]

 

[kppanic]

If you look at the first reply by me in this thread will see i recommended the E8X00, so i don't know what your point is there.

There was no tone.
I would not say that saying that people that are still using 939 that may have a single or low end dual core that they can upgrade to i higher end dual at this present time defending when i thought the point of your post was longevity of a socket.
Ask i asked an honest question.
AM2+ board can take an AM3 chip so there would not be an drop in upgrade problem for quite some time.

So what would you recommend if one went the AMD route in this case, keeping the budget in mind? Sorry if I was unclear before, but my emphasis was not specifically on the longevity of a socket but in terms of upgradability later on with minimal changes in the overall system. The reason I got this system two months ago is because I've decided that the smart way to go budget-wise would be to get a E2x00 (moving from a Prescott) was the logical stepping stone before I got a higher upgrade. With AMD, I just didn't see that choice back then, and I still don't see it. I would have spent around the same amount of money whether I had gone AMD or not, but Intel at least had a better CPU overall. So this is why I asked the question I asked the first time, with it saying that I prefer Intel over AMD for this exact same reason. So far, up and including two previous years, Intel offered a superior workstation CPU solution, and AMD has failed in every single occasion. It might be a different field on the server market, but I'm not interested in that at all.

Where is the guarantee that one to one-and-a-half years down the road AMD will suddenly saddle up and offer a better CPU? Chances are, I don't see it happening really, odds are against AMD. If it happens, kudos, but I made my purchasing decision based on two years performance.

So here's "my" impression.

 

[Final8y]

So what would you recommend if one went the AMD route in this case, keeping the budget in mind? Sorry if I was unclear before, but my emphasis was not specifically on the longevity of a socket but in terms of upgradability later on with minimal changes in the overall system. The reason I got this system two months ago is because I've decided that the smart way to go budget-wise would be to get a E2x00 (moving from a Prescott) was the logical stepping stone before I got a higher upgrade. With AMD, I just didn't see that choice back then, and I still don't see it. I would have spent around the same amount of money whether I had gone AMD or not, but Intel at least had a better CPU overall. So this is why I asked the question I asked the first time, with it saying that I prefer Intel over AMD for this exact same reason. So far, up and including two previous years, Intel offered a superior workstation CPU solution, and AMD has failed in every single occasion. It might be a different field on the server market, but I'm not interested in that at all.

Where is the guarantee that one to one-and-a-half years down the road AMD will suddenly saddle up and offer a better CPU? Chances are, I don't see it happening really, odds are against AMD. If it happens, kudos, but I made my purchasing decision based on two years performance.

So here's "my" impression.

As far as upgradability goes they are about the performance boost from what they had to offer before, they are about equal
some one with a am2+ mobo & low AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ which has been available for a year will have potential to see a good boost with a drop in chip from now & next year & more.

Now if your you point was which had the best performance atm then i had already answered that in my first post in this thread.
But for next year who knows what side will have the best low end chips.

 

[kppanic]

I never questioned which company had the best performance. I simply said I liked Intel because it had more options for upgrade which AMD didn't really step up to offer.

You were still missing my point when you were posting your last message.

 

[marcus_667]

Hey Fwicky. ive always been pro amd for a while till i came across the core 2 duo's for myself. deffinately worth the hike in price for the perfomance increase you get on say like the E8xx0 series . they also run cooler then a lot of amds ive had in the past too . and if you get into overclocking youll have many a fun nights tweaking and aiming for a 1ghz overclock which ive never seen any amd do. Also noticed that theres a lot more choice when it comes to intel cpus for motherboards and cpus. my advice would be get the best cpu mobo and ram u can get with ya budget and clock the socks off it as theres soo many helpful guides and people within this forum who would gladly help. amds are decent for office machines and budget machines for web browing etc , if you want maximum gaming performance or quick cpu at encoding then intels are the job for you

Good cpus intel wise in my opinion are

E8400
E2180
E5200
E7200

Also not sure but ive heard rumours that the 6000+ that the amd doesnt run with ram rated at 800 mhz or above as i said this is only a rumour not got hard proof so may just be speculation. Also whos how much out of the loop ive been with amds since the intel budget chips with a little ocing smash any amd ive ever had or built for people

 

[Final8y]

I never questioned which company had the best performance. I simply said I liked Intel because it had more options for upgrade which AMD didn't really step up to offer.

You were still missing my point when you were posting your last message.

There more than enough choice of cpu,s on intel & AMD.

How many CPU choices do you need on a given socket.
People with a AM2+ mobo will be able to drop in a better cpu in the future just like you with your Intel mobo.

 

[Final8y]

Also not sure but ive heard rumours that the 6000+ that the amd doesnt run with ram rated at 800 mhz or above as i said this is only a rumour not got hard proof so may just be speculation. Also whos how much out of the loop ive been with amds since the intel budget chips with a little ocing smash any amd ive ever had or built for people

6000+ runs with 800 ram just fine.


And AMD is a more than capable gaming cpu.
Lower clocked Phenom beating higher clocked intels in this one
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=770&p=5

CPU Scaling With The Radeon HD 4870 X2
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=770
CPU scaling with The GTX 280
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=775&p=1

 

[shaffaaf27]

yeah thats intresting.

so dual core with higher OCs are abetter buy (intel ones anyways, the amd X2s are cack) with a GTX280 than quads,

and the other way around with a 4870x2, where the AMDs are still cack lol

most games the phenoms do not fare well.

please deneb come spite the intel

 

[Final8y]

yeah thats intresting.

so dual core with higher OCs are abetter buy (intel ones anyways, the amd X2s are cack) with a GTX280 than quads,

and the other way around with a 4870x2, where the AMDs are still cack lol

most games the phenoms do not fare well.

please deneb come spite the intel

Any cpu that is able to deliver 60fps or more in most games are more than fine.
And most games the phenoms 3.0Ghz Do fare well. but if you think an phenoms beating, mating in some games or doing 2-10 fps less worst case against a similar priced intel quad as bad & unacceptable performance then that is your opinion, because i would say most people would not notice the difference of 2-10 fps once things get past 60 FPS.

The AMD duals are old tech & are no contest against the intel dual but as long as they can give you 60fps then it will do but old tech AMD dual would not be my choice.

 

[shaffaaf27]

but think of cryisis or farcry where the CPUs hold back the GPUs.

i do think it is important, as a CPU is only upgraded, for me, in a bottleneck, and atm the quickest way to a bottleneck is an amd cpu.

but it may change, and i for one hope it does, as i have never used an amd setup, and competition is healthy

 

[Final8y]

but think of cryisis or farcry where the CPUs hold back the GPUs.

i do think it is important, as a CPU is only upgraded, for me, in a bottleneck, and atm the quickest way to a bottleneck is an amd cpu.

but it may change, and i for one hope it does, as i have never used an amd setup, and competition is healthy

The links i posted is about the CPU holding back the GPU & all of the games showed that was CPU bottle necking except for DMC 3 that was able to be GPU limited with the top and GPU,s.

For you statement to be about quickest way to a bottleneck is an amd cpu. to be true would require all the AMD,s to be at the bottom of the list in the reviews i posted which they clearly are not.

 

[Atom]

How you finding the 4850e?

For use as a high def htpc and other general stuff it's perfect.

I have it in a SG01 using a nt06-lite. The nt06 has been bent while I had it stored away so it is about 1/2 inch below the psu and isn't getting great airflow. Under prime it maxes out at 45 degrees at 1.152(cpu-z).

 

[Scrubydoo]

Does the cpu make a big difference in games?

Up to now, I thought that it was the graphics card that was the limiting factor - the cpu not making much improvement in frame rates (except maybe in large rts battles, as in Supreme Commander, etc).