Intermittent Fasting

I'm going to give IF a go, i generally train around 2pm on most days, so i will use lunch as my last meal before a 24hr fast! then eat normally for 3 days then fast again. So for every 8 days, 2 will be fasting, with 3 days either side.

I'm thinking for greatest effect i should have my last and first meal right after my workout, instead of before.

I'll track my %bf, weight and strength from now until end of october and will let everyone know how it goes :)
 
I don't really understand where these regular 24 hours fasts have come from on the IF scene :confused:

Yes periodically they can probably have their benefits but regularly (without having tried) I'm not a fan.

Your post is a bit confusing, unless I've misread you plan to fast for 24 hours with no PWO nutrition but then actually plan to have your last pre fast meal PWO?
 
i'm going to eat eat eat then workout then eat then fast for 24hrs then workout then eat (breakfast)...then repeat again after 3 days. So i will always eat post workout.

Alternatively i know people who do fasting after 1 day, so they eat normally for 1 day, fast for 24hrs, eat normally for 1 day etc.

But since i have never done IF before i will stick with the 3 days then fasting and see how difficult it is, maybe then do 2 days then fast.

From everything i've read fasting should increase your insuline sensitivity, increase your GH which in turn should allow you to burn fat and build muscle at the same time (complete opposite to bulking and cutting).

I dont know if its true or not, so will give it a go and treat it like an experiment.
 
That's a bit clearer!

I (think) I was one of the first to fully try/document my transition to IF (my HST & IF Journal is knocking about here somewhere). I used, and still do, a daily 16 hour fast (eat window 12-8PM with majority of carbs PWO. Off days higher fats & lower cabrs, largest meal first when possible).

You may find that a bit easier to adjust to if you struggle to go cold turkey for 24 hours. Once you've adapted it's second nature.

Enjoy :)
 
Whether or not the science is right it works because people find it easier to eat less.

It has been a great lifestyle change for me. Not having to waste time in the morning eating breakfast means I can get up, shower and out the door in a 15 minute window.

I've relaxed the calorie counting and carbs on/off rule and I've still been losing weight and gaining strength on 2 gym sessions a week so I'm pretty pleased with it.
 
The objective of IF isn't about making it easier to eat less (it just so happens it does, in a pretty simple psychological way) :) ultimately it comes down to convenience and preference.
 
I.F came along and smashed the myth you need to eat like how supp companies had conned people into thinking they needed to eat, and various other bits of bro-science.

Unfortunately I.F. has now been infiltrated with various crappy fad versions/plans (5:2 and stuff like that) and voodoo in terms of magical properties etc - because as ever with the diet industry, eating less doesn't part people with money, and money must be made.

Bottom line:
I.F (proper stuff like Leangains) - is effective for weight loss because it makes adherence (which is THE single biggest factor) easy. Eating few bigger meals is psychologically more satisfying than eating lots of little ones, and reduces snacking, enable people to successfully under-eat and therefore reduce fat.

It may have some healthful benefits, there hasn't been enough research collectively.

For fatties who have poor insulin sensitivity, the reduced meal frequency and cleaning up in terms of the content of the diet is obviously preferable to spiking insulin all day with various snacks etc.

You don't NEED to rigidly adhere to any sort of feeding/fasting window in the same way you don't NEED to eat a dozen times a day - do what works for your schedule best; IF just demonstrates that the body is highly adaptable and effective at digesting and using food whether you eat 8 meals a day or 2 (assuming quantity is identical).

Things like carbing up PWO are not exclusive to IF (Lyle McDonald was using them years ago as part of his Cyclic Ketogenic Diet) and it may have some benefits in terms of nutrient partitioning, but...

Hitting your macros/cals, train hard and getting plenty of rest is king, the rest is details. If strictly following I.F helps you do that, cool...

Just don't be a Paleotard lol.
 
ok - dumb ass question time!

If i'm doing 3 days normal eating (watching my macros) and 24 hr fast, then 3 days normal eating - i'm guessing that i dont need to make any changes to my macros for the 3 days to compensate for not eating for 24hrs?

My goal is fat loss and lean muscle mass gain - which is why i'm trying this and not bulking and then cutting (i've been on a bulk for 4 months).

My plan was to eat normally on the days i'm not fasting and make no changes based on the fact that for 24hrs i wont be eating - or should i eat more the day before i fast to compensate?

All these posts got me a little confused.

Many Thanks
 
I.F came along and smashed the myth you need to eat like how supp companies had conned people into thinking they needed to eat, and various other bits of bro-science.

Unfortunately I.F. has now been infiltrated with various crappy fad versions/plans (5:2 and stuff like that) and voodoo in terms of magical properties etc - because as ever with the diet industry, eating less doesn't part people with money, and money must be made.

Bottom line:
I.F (proper stuff like Leangains) - is effective for weight loss because it makes adherence (which is THE single biggest factor) easy. Eating few bigger meals is psychologically more satisfying than eating lots of little ones, and reduces snacking, enable people to successfully under-eat and therefore reduce fat.

It may have some healthful benefits, there hasn't been enough research collectively.

For fatties who have poor insulin sensitivity, the reduced meal frequency and cleaning up in terms of the content of the diet is obviously preferable to spiking insulin all day with various snacks etc.

You don't NEED to rigidly adhere to any sort of feeding/fasting window in the same way you don't NEED to eat a dozen times a day - do what works for your schedule best; IF just demonstrates that the body is highly adaptable and effective at digesting and using food whether you eat 8 meals a day or 2 (assuming quantity is identical).

Things like carbing up PWO are not exclusive to IF (Lyle McDonald was using them years ago as part of his Cyclic Ketogenic Diet) and it may have some benefits in terms of nutrient partitioning, but...

Hitting your macros/cals, train hard and getting plenty of rest is king, the rest is details. If strictly following I.F helps you do that, cool...

Just don't be a Paleotard lol.

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ok - dumb ass question time!

If i'm doing 3 days normal eating (watching my macros) and 24 hr fast, then 3 days normal eating - i'm guessing that i dont need to make any changes to my macros for the 3 days to compensate for not eating for 24hrs?

If your goal is fat loss, you need a calorie deficit. So if you're doing 3 days eating, 1 day fasting, over that 4 day cycle you need an overall deficit, and a healthy one at that, since progress is going to be much slower than if you were running a daily deficit. (This is why I think 24hr fasts are sub-optimal for those looking to get lean reasonably fast).

My goal is fat loss and lean muscle mass gain - which is why i'm trying this and not bulking and then cutting (i've been on a bulk for 4 months).

Unfortunately some IF'ers have perpetuated this idea that it's possible to do both of these things at once as quickly as people doing one or the other, and the reality is it doesn't work like that. Even Martin Berkhan no longer does -20/+20 type recomps with clients, from what I've read, just a heavy emphasis on one goal or the other (so -40/+10 sort of thing on a cut).

If you want to lose fat, cut sensibly enough that weight is going down but gym performance isn't suffering, then worry about bulking later, otherwise it just leads to a lot of wheel spinning for most people.

My plan was to eat normally on the days i'm not fasting and make no changes based on the fact that for 24hrs i wont be eating - or should i eat more the day before i fast to compensate?

You'll just slow fat loss or even cancel it out overcompensating on your non-fasting days. Doing all sorts of calorie zig-zagging is just overcomplicating things. If you're going to 24hr fast 2 times a week rather than run a straight deficit, ensure your non-fasting days are definitely around maint. level and on your 24hr fast day, the meal you have to break your fast (e.g. at dinner time after fasting since dinner the day before) isn't essentially maint. cals in a single meal, since this misses the point entirely, e.g.

Day 1 = 2500cals (maint.)
Day 2 = 2500cals (maint.)
Day 3 = 2500cals (maint.)
Day 4 = 1000 cals (deficit)

4 days maint = 10,000 cals, actual intake over 4 days = 8500cals, so a 1500cal deficit which would in theory be the same as having a daily deficit of 375.

Most people run around a 500 cal deficit when doing fulll time cut, sometimes more, so obviously you can see which one will yield quicker results (as most people in the game want to spend a much greater ratio of time strength/size gaining vs losing fat).

The whole fasting thing is the icing on the cake - which was the point of Leangains in that 16 hours fasted was a decent amount of time to get the theoretical benefits of fasting combined with a regular approach to intake.

Stream of consciousness ramble blah blah.
 
So after a long time I've decided to give this ago again. Been skipping breakfast for ages and had a stable bodyweight. I've decided now too skip lunch. weaned myself off hour later per day last week. Yesterday I went without lunch, and today I've only got an hour to go before dinner (not very hungry at all yet). I'm hoping this will be a decent calorie deficit. I have a couple of stone I'd like to abolish from my body. I'm not fully convinced by the IF magic, I just find it the easiest way to cut down on calories. If I eat during the day then I end up hungry during the day and normally end up eating. I know if even after diner tonight I feel like a sandwich I can have it and still probably be at a deficit, whereas if I'd tried hard to limit my food all day and then thought about that sandwich I'd be over that days calorie limit.

Plus if the IF magic is true I should get a double whammy!
 
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