Intermittent Fasting

Who's rubbish it?

I've researched it, and dozens other types of nutrition methodologies - the theory is sound enough, but it just doesn't suit everyone, it is basically a calorie control diet protocol, nothing more. Again as I said, if you can make it work, go for it, and if it gets you the results you're after - wonderful! :)

Good luck with it. Keep us updated.
 
I like the video though as he just repeats what's been known for years, that more muscle = more calories burned and that metabolic rate is fairly independent of what you eat and it's locked in our genetics and body size. There is a bit of a dichotomy though, you need insulin for building muscle so it's a fine balance - you need muscle to increase your RMR but to lose fat you want to decrease your insulin. Ultimately it's better to improve your insulin sensitivity then it's a good balance between both. :)
 
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Ah fair comment. :)

I will say if you do do it, don't train fasted, at least take some BCAAs or a banana and a cup of coffee as you'll struggle - personally I find the intensity of my training too much to do a session without having some calories in me.
 
Deception said:
Do you train fasted or after the fast is over? I've been training faster for over a year now, but recently haven't had much energy in the morning these days due to diet. So, thinking of trying a week still with IF but training in the evening.
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I break my fast at around 2 and train at about 6. I have done it fasted but I don't enjoy it very much. I have also done extra sessions in the morning fasted but they tend to be much lighter, mainly cardio sessions.
 
Djdom56 said:
I break my fast at around 2 and train at about 6. I have done it fasted but I don't enjoy it very much. I have also done extra sessions in the morning fasted but they tend to be much lighter, mainly cardio sessions.
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Never realised you was doing / still on it? It's clearly working anyway :p

Pondered it, not going to try it for a long while yet. When I get in to decent shape I may tinker just to see what happens.
 
Delvis said:
Never realised you was doing / still on it? It's clearly working anyway :p

Pondered it, not going to try it for a long while yet. When I get in to decent shape I may tinker just to see what happens.
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I'm using it as a weight loss/discipline routine. It's working thus far so if you're looking to shift some weight, give it a go!
 
noizeuk said:
I'm using it as a weight loss/discipline routine. It's working thus far so if you're looking to shift some weight, give it a go!
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Not yet, I've shifted about a stone in the last few months just from eating cleaner (and actually eating more than previously...go figure :p)

Once I've finished my current cut I'll bulk up, perhaps if I fancy getting leaner in a couple of years time I'll give it a whirl for a month and record the results
 
desires said:
Calorie counting is hard work. You have to constantly think about whether you 'can afford' to be eating something, you almost have to keep a log of what you eat (there are plenty of people that actually do this!). Or simply you just don't eat. There are a whole list of health benefits. Have a look at this video


To summarise after ~18 hours of fasting:
  • Lower insulin (the thing that stores sugar in fat cells and stores fat)
  • Higher glucagon (the thing that takes sugar out of fat cells)
  • Higher growth hormone (prevents muscle mass being used in place of fat cells by glucagon)
So as you can see there is a lot of reasons why IF is better (and easier) than trying to reduce your diet (especially if your current diet isn't actually considered unhealthy)

More proof of its worth can be seen in these blogs
http://www.leangains.com/
http://bradpilon.com/
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I am going to try this Eat stop eat fast instead. I don't think i could go a whole day without food more than once a week.

http://www.everydiet.org/diet/eat-stop-eat-24-hour-fast
 
jordan282 said:
I am going to try this Eat stop eat fast instead. I don't think i could go a whole day without food more than once a week.

http://www.everydiet.org/diet/eat-stop-eat-24-hour-fast
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Yup, well that's obviously good too. There are a lot of variants of IF, as long as you can get the fast to about 18 hours (although 16 seems to work if you follow leangains.com) then you get the benefit of the fast. Of course the reduced calorie intake also helps, but there isn't necessarily a calorie reduction on some of the diets such as the ones below.

Some other variants you may want to look at are the one I just mentioned, leangains, this is a 16/8 fast, so 16 hours fasting then eat your days food within an 8 hour window. Then you get other variants such as fast-5 which is 19/5, or the warrior diet which is 20/4 (although this does actually allow you to eat vegetables during the fast window).

If you're trying to lose weight I'd just say find a diet plan (not necessarily IF) that you think you have the most chance sticking to. You could be on the best diet ever but it's no good if you can't stick to it for more than a couple of weeks. If you're doing it for health reasons or to build muscle it's worth reading into them a bit more to find out what suits your needs best.
 
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Djdom56 said:
I break my fast at around 2 and train at about 6. I have done it fasted but I don't enjoy it very much. I have also done extra sessions in the morning fasted but they tend to be much lighter, mainly cardio sessions.
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Thats what im trying this week. Need as much energy as I can get on Wendler, so hopefully training with food in me will provide that :). IF seems so easy and fits perfectly in to my work schedule.
 
I suppose I go on this sort of diet when I do a night shift these days. I wake up at 17:00 and eat, then have dinner at 01:00 or so, then don't eat for 14 hours. Never measured if I lose weight, but I imagine that coupled with being really busy means that I do.

The thing that puts me off this sort of diet long term is the lack of breakfast. I genuinely think I wouldn't function without it at work bearing in mind I'm standing for long periods of time operating. How do you guys find it?
 
tom_nieto said:
I suppose I go on this sort of diet when I do a night shift these days. I wake up at 17:00 and eat, then have dinner at 01:00 or so, then don't eat for 14 hours. Never measured if I lose weight, but I imagine that coupled with being really busy means that I do.

The thing that puts me off this sort of diet long term is the lack of breakfast. I genuinely think I wouldn't function without it at work bearing in mind I'm standing for long periods of time operating. How do you guys find it?
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I just top up on plenty of water until I break my fast, never really had an issue. You could always take some caffeine to help suppress your appetite too.
 
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