Interstellar rant

Robosapien · 13 Apr 2015 at 21:24

Swampyseifer said:
I vaguely remember it....what I always wonder is...

Our future selves, knowing that they need to get Murph to use the tessaract to influence himself and his daughter to start off a series of events that would result in Murph going into space (to use the tessaract...etc...) and for his daughter to sort out the spacestation thing.

How do our future selves know this? It seems clear to me that the future selves who can control 5 dimensions, mavity and black holes must be from a much further ahead future than the future murph finds himself in...with his daughter on the space station.

I'm not much of an educated mind but to me I know in theory time is looping but there must be a point when the loop starts for the first time. That first time - in which I assume murph was unable to influence himself to go into space so he could get to the tesseract and his daughter to solve the puzzle and create the spacestation.

Murph is the name of the daughter. I think the father is called Coop. As for the answer to your question, I think it has something to do with Castiel.

ShortWarning · 14 Apr 2015 at 11:22

Swampyseifer said:
I'm not much of an educated mind but to me I know in theory time is looping but there must be a point when the loop starts for the first time. That first time - in which I assume murph was unable to influence himself to go into space so he could get to the tesseract and his daughter to solve the puzzle and create the spacestation.

That's the paradox of this type of "time travel". It's happened as it always has. There was no start to the loop.

~>Dg<~ · 14 Apr 2015 at 14:00

no that's the explanation people give when they have no explanation

there has to be a point of origin/start.

ShortWarning · 14 Apr 2015 at 14:26

~>Dg<~ said:
no that's the explanation people give when they have no explanation

there has to be a point of origin/start.

But it couldn't possibly have an origin. Coop needed the advanced beings to be able to do what he needed to do, the advanced beings needed coop to do what they needed to do.

That's the whole idea of a paradox.

Maybe it's lazy but this isn't an original paradox.

ChroniC · 14 Apr 2015 at 15:44

~>Dg<~ said:
no that's the explanation people give when they have no explanation

there has to be a point of origin/start.

That's the paradox. If there was a start by living that origin you create the very thing that rewrites the past, so you end up with two problems. Either the past can never be changed to influence the future because by doing so you change the parameters that created the change, or everything that can happen does happen on a infinite number of happenings, which in either case you can't change because it's already happened.

~>Dg<~ · 14 Apr 2015 at 16:02

but as i said a paradox is just a lazy mans idea of no explanation.

no one has proved in reality terms so its just theory.in theory anything is real.

if you google look into what im talking about of theory vs reality of paradox mind melts hahah

ChroniC · 14 Apr 2015 at 16:15

Well no one can prove it. It can only be answered by proof, and since we can't time travel I guess you have to just take your own personal opinion, or anyone else since neither is wrong.

~>Dg<~ · 14 Apr 2015 at 16:32

just been reading stanford university einstein paper was quite interesting.

wasn't too hard too understand atleast he does acknowledge both sides of theory and reality.

lets ask Matthew what he thinks

ShortWarning · 14 Apr 2015 at 16:56

I wouldn't say it's a lazy man's "no explanation". It's an interesting thought experiment.

Robosapien · 14 Apr 2015 at 22:26

If time is a part of the universe it makes no sense to talk of beginnings. Especially to transcendent beings for whom exist no time paradoxes.

neoboy · 15 Apr 2015 at 13:18

My understanding is that the tesseract was created by humans since Cooper at one point says, "it was us". Now of course it doesn't make sense that humans managed to create it, along with possibly placing that wormhole if they became extinct in the first place. So I can only assume that the humans who created it were from the newly formed planet that was the plan B, then took pity on their original lot who could barely get themselves into space and threw us all a bone. That is the gist of it in layman's terms?

ShortWarning · 16 Apr 2015 at 11:05

neoboy said:
My understanding is that the tesseract was created by humans since Cooper at one point says, "it was us". Now of course it doesn't make sense that humans managed to create it, along with possibly placing that wormhole if they became extinct in the first place. So I can only assume that the humans who created it were from the newly formed planet that was the plan B, then took pity on their original lot who could barely get themselves into space and threw us all a bone. That is the gist of it in layman's terms?

They couldn't have got to planet "plan b" without the help of their future selves.

That's the paradox.

Gman · 16 Apr 2015 at 12:51

the way I treat the paradox is like back to the future.
Our future selves kind of wen't back in time to that specific point and opened the wormhole from that point on its created an alternate timeline, probably one where humans will now advance a lot quicker than the original timeline.

ShortWarning · 16 Apr 2015 at 13:47

Gman said:
the way I treat the paradox is like back to the future.
Our future selves kind of wen't back in time to that specific point and opened the wormhole from that point on its created an alternate timeline, probably one where humans will now advance a lot quicker than the original timeline.

But that doesn't explain how our future selves got to the point where they were able to advance enough to create a wormhole to help Coop out.

The fact that the future beings created a worm whole and tessaract is what allowed them to advance to where they are now.

Back To The Future is not the same type of theory. There is no loop, alternate timelines are created to get around this type of paradox.

neoboy · 16 Apr 2015 at 16:23

Well in that case while I get what the paradox is saying, it really doesn't make sense to my simpleton brain

Only seen this once in a cinema so will have to give it another watch soon to really look into the theory.

Gman · 16 Apr 2015 at 21:10

ShortWarning said:
But that doesn't explain how our future selves got to the point where they were able to advance enough to create a wormhole to help Coop out.

The fact that the future beings created a worm whole and tessaract is what allowed them to advance to where they are now.

x.

But did it? Perhaps they did it another way, a way that took a hell of a lot longer and lost most of the population. By interacting with the past they might have tried to speed up this process and save more humans.

But either way you look at it the ending is nuts

ShortWarning · 17 Apr 2015 at 10:58

Gman said:
But did it? Perhaps they did it another way, a way that took a hell of a lot longer and lost most of the population. By interacting with the past they might have tried to speed up this process and save more humans.

But either way you look at it the ending is nuts

Possibly but the implication is that without that wormhole the human race would cease to exist so without the future beings help there would have been no humans to evolve into future beings.

The other thing to consider is that if humans did survive without the wormhole etc then what would be the point in creating a wormhole/tesseract?

shaffaaf27 · 18 Apr 2015 at 11:40

ShortWarning said:
Possibly but the implication is that without that wormhole the human race would cease to exist so without the future beings help there would have been no humans to evolve into future beings.

The other thing to consider is that if humans did survive without the wormhole etc then what would be the point in creating a wormhole/tesseract?

Exactly what I thought. If they made the wormhole and tesserect, why bother, as they had survived. Is the only part of the film that doesn't make sense to me. Everything else was near perfect

ebilcake · 18 Apr 2015 at 12:45

Hated it, much of reasoning for their actions in the film didnt make sense and the science was questionable. How anyone can say it was sound makes me wonder if we even watched the same film.

Add to that the emotional garbage mixed with religion and this future nasa, not a film I would recommend to anyone.

All the charactors just seemed wasted and the dialog was laughable at times.

Zethor · 18 Apr 2015 at 13:31

Let's see...
The science was laughable, particularly in the context of time dilatation on the planets and when he entered the black hole. The "blight" should have wiped up the forests years ago (bye, bye oxygen and all life forms which use it).

What about the complete lack of character development (I loved the part where the black guy is basically unchanged after what, 20 years of solitude)?

Love transcends time and space? Garbage.

The film's rave reviews and popularity show the dire state of the sci fi genre.