Interstellar -- Trailer (Spoilers!)

[Castiel]

I'm not gone, there's just nothing to say.
You think that the core of the film was love transcends time and space and as such she got told by love to check her room etc etc. Where I don't but agree that nonsense was suggested, and everyone else things there's nothing of the sort.

It was the emotional bond between father and daughter that allowed Ascended Humanity to focus the tesseract on a singular point in time, it was that link between the two that was necessary as while they existed (essentially) outside of space time (thus the implied absence of a paradox, I need to read the science of Kip Thorne before knowing whether that's feasible or not) they could not focus on any single point in order to interact with it...it needed a connection, and getting Cooper into that singularity and his inherent emotional connection to his daughter and her to him (illustrated throughout the movie) served as that focus.

And this once again underlines the emotional imperative that underpins the movie.

 

[trentlad]

Sticking with what...

If it was just the speech then maybe, but it's still implied in several other areas. To me it very much came across as a terrible attempt at including it.

If you can't remember any other instances where it was mentioned again then you may have misunderstood and incorrectly applied it to subsequent events throughout the entire film.

 

[Glaucus]

It was the emotional bond between father and daughter that allowed Ascended Humanity to focus the tesseract on a singular point in time, it was that link between the two that was necessary as while they existed (essentially) outside of space time (thus the implied absence of a paradox, I need to read the science of Kip Thorne before knowing whether that's feasible or not) they could not focus on any single point in order to interact with it...it needed a connection, and getting Cooper into that singularity and his inherent emotional connection to his daughter and her to him (illustrated throughout the movie) served as that focus.

And this once again underlines the emotional imperative that underpins the movie.

This isn't what he's been saying, he took it the way I did. He however then applies it to the situations. Hence it was a discussion between us to, before you lot joined in, thinking I meant something else, which I didn't.

But anyway it's enough pointless discussion, on a pointless topic and Malukha has just released a new song I need to listen to.

 

[trentlad]

You don't think you could have possibly been wrong about it being implied several times then?

 

[Glaucus]

Well If I am, not once have you corrected me, with your actual opinion. You have just continued to state, the choices are made by love transcending time and space. How else can I take it.

 

[Castiel]

This isn't what he's been saying, he took it the way I did. He however then applies it to the situations. Hence it was a discussion between us to, before you lot joined in, thinking I meant something else, which I didn't.

That's pretty much what Trentlad appears to be saying though Glaucus, I simply substituted the word 'love" with 'human emotion'. Love is just one form of emotional connection explored within the narrative, so is anger, disappointment, regret, hope, and others. The overriding connection between Cooper and his Daughter was one of love however, and that fuelled his motivations as well as hers, even to the point of her returning to the room for answers from her "ghost" remembered when she sorted her things...that emotional connection was reignited.

I think you are both just arguing at cross purposes over the use of the word 'love'.

 

[trentlad]

So you could have been wrong about that?

 

[Castiel]

So you could have been wrong about that?

Who? Me?

 

[trentlad]

Not at all.

I'm actually sitting here stunned at how well you explained that tesseract encounter.

 

[trentlad]

Well If I am, not once have you corrected me, with your actual opinion. You have just continued to state, the choices are made by love transcending time and space. How else can I take it.

Wow... you've essentially admitted that you could have been wrong about something. It doesn't sound like you've ever been so humble on this forum before. Congratulations!!

 

[Castiel]

Not at all.

I'm actually sitting here stunned at how well you explained that tesseract encounter.

Thanks. It seemed the simplest way to express it.

I'm waiting to read Kip Thornes Science of Interstellar, hopefully that will iron out some of the questions regarding the paradox of getting Cooper into the Blackhole in order to give himself the coordinates to get into the Blackhole. I suspect it has something to do with Ascended Humanity being extant in all points of reference within the universe simultaneously allowing them to subvert that paradox somehow.

 

[spoffle]

Thanks. It seemed the simplest way to express it.

I'm waiting to read Kip Thornes Science of Interstellar, hopefully that will iron out some of the questions regarding the paradox of getting Cooper into the Blackhole in order to give himself the coordinates to get into the Blackhole. I suspect it has something to do with Ascended Humanity being extant in all points of reference within the universe simultaneously allowing them to subvert that paradox somehow.

Don't you just love time travelling themes in movies and TV shows?

That was my understanding of the tesseract part as well, I found it to be quite obvious, however I have a fascination with tesseracts and the fourth dimension, so I done some reading on it.

 

[Castiel]

Don't you just love time travelling themes in movies and TV shows?

That was my understanding of the tesseract part as well, I found it to be quite obvious, however I have a fascination with tesseracts and the fourth dimension, so I done some reading on it.

Absolutely, I think that the tesseract here is in fact a device to transport Cooper to a specific reference point (both in time initially and space eventually) and that it exists within the fifth dimension so outside of the Blackhole itself as well...I have a sneaking feeling that the Blackhole and the 12 planets were also constructed in order to get Cooper to this point of reference. This would, I hope, reconcile the paradox and explain how Cooper travelled from the singularity within the Blackhole and both the bedroom (time) and ending up within shouting distance of Cooper Station (space).

 

[mrk]

2nd viewing for me tonight, saw with a few friends who had not seen it before. Didn't notice anything new but did appreciate some of the finer details more, the music score stuck out especially strong and I was reminded of Dark Knight. Brilliant.

Mate called Tars/Case the "KitKat Androids"

 

[Castiel]

2nd viewing for me tonight, saw with a few friends who had not seen it before. Didn't notice anything new but did appreciate some of the finer details more, the music score stuck out especially strong and I was reminded of Dark Knight. Brilliant.

Mate called Tars/Case the "KitKat Androids"

I'm going in for my second showing tomorrow, the wife is back from South Africa and feels that unless she sees the movie herself I won't shut up about it. Once I've watched it I'm going to start in on Kip Thorne's book.

 

[mrk]

Worth noting that the difference between BFI IMAX and Vue was noticeable. We didn't see the 4K version as that was screening 35minutes later and on a smaller screen but even still, the IMAX version was a little bit sharper and we were sat much closer to the screen as well. The sound was the same at both venues though.

 

[trentlad]

I'm waiting to read Kip Thornes Science of Interstellar, hopefully that will iron out some of the questions regarding the paradox of getting Cooper into the Blackhole in order to give himself the coordinates to get into the Blackhole.

I'd hazard a guess that with the tesseract being depicted in the film as a fifth dimensional object (conventionally it's a fourth dimensional object), it would be an object containing each possible time line.

In the film when Cooper enters the tesseract we see the same bookcase but in each direction each bookcase is actually in its own time line. So he isn't inside an environment that allows a paradox because he could manipulate any time line.

EDIT: Based on how Cooper moved around inside I don't think each bookcase could represent a different time line, seems more likely that they represent a different point in time on the same time line.

 

[Castiel]

I'd hazard a guess that with the tesseract being depicted in the film as a fifth dimensional object (conventionally it's a fourth dimensional object), it would be an object containing each possible time line.

In the film when Cooper enters the tesseract we see the same bookcase but in each direction each bookcase is actually in its own time line. So he isn't inside an environment that allows a paradox because he could manipulate any time line.

The tesseract is extant in all points of reference (time and space) simultaneously. This is apparent in the narrative, and you're right it's a fifth dimensional object, but the paradox is in getting him to that point, that is what I have yet to reconcile. I have some relatively unformed ideas of how this might possibly be explained, but not enough to offer a coherent explanation here (or at least one that won't create an argument from certain quarters).

 

[Castiel]

Worth noting that the difference between BFI IMAX and Vue was noticeable. We didn't see the 4K version as that was screening 35minutes later and on a smaller screen but even still, the IMAX version was a little bit sharper and we were sat much closer to the screen as well. The sound was the same at both venues though.

Whereabouts are these, I've only seen it at the IMAX Odeon in Southampton. Not sure if it's 4k or not.

 

[trentlad]

...I think that the tesseract here is in fact a device to transport Cooper to a specific reference point (both in time initially and space eventually) and that it exists within the fifth dimension so outside of the Blackhole itself as well...I have a sneaking feeling that the Blackhole and the 12 planets were also constructed in order to get Cooper to this point of reference...

I really like this concept!