Not holding the phone - 1584kbps
Holding the phone - 1101kbps
Whilst there is some drop it's no more than I'd expect from most phones, guess I was lucky
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Not holding the phone - 1584kbps
Holding the phone - 1101kbps
Whilst there is some drop it's no more than I'd expect from most phones, guess I was lucky
Why not?
The iPhone software decides when the signal is too weak and will disconnect you if it thinks a phonecall is no longer possible. If what Apple are saying is true, the software is not behaving the way it should. Yes, the signal is being made weaker when you bridge the antennas, but the theory is the iPhone is responding incorrectly.
With this fix the software will react differently and the call dropping may go away as the iPhone will more successfully deal with attenuation.
I still think it is a silly place to put the insulation gap [what's wrong with the top of bottom of the phone - where no one is ever likely to touch it in normal use?], but if this fix works then I will be very happy. I really do want this sucker! Hence my optimism!
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I still think it is a silly place to put the insulation gap [what's wrong with the top of bottom of the phone - where no one is ever likely to touch it in normal use?], but if this fix works then I will be very happy. I really do want this sucker! Hence my optimism!
It is at the bottom because the FCC, the regulators, insist that all phones put the antennas at the bottom, away from the brain, due to the fear of radiation. All phones are the same these days, notice the first iPhone with the plastic part at the bottom?
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/27/steve-jobs-on-iphone-4-signal-issue-stay-tuned/
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Are you kidding me?
Nope. you could see where it was all overlapped and scrunched up at the edges
Re: The reception issue...
Just tried it with my old iPhone 3G, which is still on O2-UK as I'm waiting for the number to get ported.
If I cover up the entire bottom part of the phone, signal drops from 5 bars to 2 bars. I can't get it to go below that.
If I let go, it INSTANTLY races back up to 5 bars.
This makes me 100% confident that it's a software issue, as I guarantee you it did not do this with iOS3.
Uploading a video now to demonstrate, will post the link in a few.
Edit: http://bit.ly/9LMzaD (When finished uploading)
Just tried it with my old iPhone 3G, which is still on O2-UK as I'm waiting for the number to get ported.
If I cover up the entire bottom part of the phone, signal drops from 5 bars to 2 bars. I can't get it to go below that.
If I let go, it INSTANTLY races back up to 5 bars.
This makes me 100% confident that it's a software issue, as I guarantee you it did not do this with iOS3.
Uploading a video now to demonstrate, will post the link in a few.
Edit: http://bit.ly/9LMzaD (When finished uploading)
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Let me get t his straight, by physically cover up the bottom half of. The phone, where the antenna is causes the signal to go down is software issue?
How did you come to that conclusion? The software detect a your hand and loses signal? Do you not think it's because the fact that your hand is blockering the antenna is causing it?
Yes, that is obviously the cause. However the question remains why it did not happen on iOS3.
There's a good explanation here of what may be happening (Under the heading "Software fix in the works"):
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/25/death_grip_hysteria_may_end_monday_with_ios_4_01.html
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Can I just ask, with this reception issue, is it actually affecting your use of the phone?
I know the problem is there, it's quite clear what is happening, but it seems everybody is concentrating so hard on the fact that their phone does it, has it actually caused anybody's use of the phone so far to be negative?
Making the problem occur doesn't count. I mean have you actually had a dropped call? Have you actually lost service when you needed it?
As I say, I know the problem exists, I'm just curious how much of an effect it's having on people's use of the phone.
I know the problem is there, it's quite clear what is happening, but it seems everybody is concentrating so hard on the fact that their phone does it, has it actually caused anybody's use of the phone so far to be negative?
Making the problem occur doesn't count. I mean have you actually had a dropped call? Have you actually lost service when you needed it?
As I say, I know the problem exists, I'm just curious how much of an effect it's having on people's use of the phone.
Can I just ask, with this reception issue, is it actually affecting your use of the phone?
I know the problem is there, it's quite clear what is happening, but it seems everybody is concentrating so hard on the fact that their phone does it, has it actually caused anybody's use of the phone so far to be negative?
Making the problem occur doesn't count. I mean have you actually had a dropped call? Have you actually lost service when you needed it?
As I say, I know the problem exists, I'm just curious how much of an effect it's having on people's use of the phone.
Reception drops for me regardless of how I hold the phone, even flat on my palm.
For calls this isn't an issue, but with a weak 3G signal, or worse dropping to GPRS, web browsing is almost pointless.
I've already said that as far as I'm concerned it doesn't affect me at all. I get a better signal in my house with the iPhone 4 than I ever did with the iPhone 3G or 3GS.
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Can I just ask, with this reception issue, is it actually affecting your use of the phone?
I know the problem is there, it's quite clear what is happening, but it seems everybody is concentrating so hard on the fact that their phone does it, has it actually caused anybody's use of the phone so far to be negative?
Making the problem occur doesn't count. I mean have you actually had a dropped call? Have you actually lost service when you needed it?
As I say, I know the problem exists, I'm just curious how much of an effect it's having on people's use of the phone.
It might not drop calls totally but i saw it went from 3G to edge on 3 phones by just holding it. If that's the case then what's the point of 3G? I might as well stick with an old 2G iPhone.
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Yes. I rest my iPhone in my left hand and then tap/pinch etc with my right hand. Resting it in my left hand causes it do drop from 5 bars of O2 3G down to 1 very slow and non-functioning bar.
I tested it today with my better half's 3G (running OS 3.1.3) and completely encompasing the bottom half of the phone in my sweaty hands causes it to drop as much signal as if I completely emcompass the bottom half of my iPhone 4 (which, surprisingly, is running iOS4). Neither of these causes me to lose all signal, drop calls, cause my penis to drop off, or anything else which may be of concern...
Same here, Mr Feek
And this is what the software fix is all about. If you have crap signal to start with then attenuation will kill that, but that's not the fault of the phone.
The software fix is about how the OS controls and organises what the hardware is doing (you know, much like software acceleration/control on your home computer). Apple have managed to release a great piece of hardware with some slightly dodgy software. I'm not impressed by that, but I'm not going to demonise them (as many seem to want to do) because they made a mistake.
I agree that the comment which was released on Friday was bloody stupid, but it's not going to put me off, because we're all capable of being muppets on occasion.
This issue (and I don't doubt, or refute that it is an issue for some people) has been blown out of all proportion because of where it has come from. Looking around, even on these forums, and there are just as many people (if not more) saying that it doesn't affect them as there are saying that it does. And as we all know, people are more likely to complain about something than to praise something.
As it stands, for me, I am getting better reception and a better experience with this handset than I've ever had on my 3G. And for the second piece of apple kit I've ever owned (I'm not counting the Acorn Electron and Acorn A3000 from my youth, which were technically apples
) it's made me happy. Not as happy as Win7, but then again Steve Jobs can't always please the Windows die-hards 
Fingers crossed it's all sorted in 4.0.1 and everyone can shut the **** up!
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I do hope so! I waited the release of this phone since the 3GS came out and this happened. You don't know how gutted I am!
My Iphone 4 has the reception problem, as I think all of them do. However, today at work I had 5 bars, and 2 of my mates spent the best part of 10 minutes trying to get it to drop. They were holding it with left hand, right hand, fingers all around the sides, every possible way imaginable and they could not get it to drop by even 1 bar.
I have not had a dropped call and for me, atm, it is a non issue. I will obviously know better after actually using it more to see if I struggle in certain areas but like I said before, I would never have even noticed there was a problem.
I have not had a dropped call and for me, atm, it is a non issue. I will obviously know better after actually using it more to see if I struggle in certain areas but like I said before, I would never have even noticed there was a problem.
I'm getting pretty poor reception issues too, I'm left handed and from what i've read they recommend not covering the left hand side which is impossible for a lefty! I can get it from 3G with full signal to the "o" with 1 bar, pretty big drop there.
I seem to remember some instances of having this on my 3G with OS3 as well, having full 3G signal and dropping to hardly anything.
Hopefully they'll tweak something to help this along. How this passed testing is beyond me!
...still loving the phone though, lovely upgrade from the 3G and don't regret my purchase.
I seem to remember some instances of having this on my 3G with OS3 as well, having full 3G signal and dropping to hardly anything.
Hopefully they'll tweak something to help this along. How this passed testing is beyond me!
...still loving the phone though, lovely upgrade from the 3G and don't regret my purchase.