Is 7nm Vega on the way for gaming?

Rroff · 11 Dec 2018 at 10:54

jigger said:
You must be the ultimate focus group optimist. So you really feel this ends well for Nvidia? That is really interesting...

I never implied who it ends well for - only pointed out your post was not particularly founded in reality.

jigger · 11 Dec 2018 at 11:35

Nvidia have hard times ahead. Seems all but a select group of nut jobs understand this.

Rroff · 11 Dec 2018 at 11:48

jigger said:
Nvidia have hard times ahead. Seems all but a select group of nut jobs understand this.

How so?

I'm not convinced as to Intel's efforts into graphics space and more likely AMD will continue to take a small amount from their overall market share while that will be offset by losing some against nVidia in the discrete market so in the long run I doubt things will change significantly from where they are.

PS banding around nut jobs at people you don't like the opinion of is really poor form.

jigger · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:06

Rroff said:
How so?

I'm not convinced as to Intel's efforts into graphics space and more likely AMD will continue to take a small amount from their overall market share while that will be offset by losing some against nVidia in the discrete market so in the long run I doubt things will change significantly from where they are.

PS banding around nut jobs at people you don't like the opinion of is really poor form.

While Nvidia have zero percent of the APU and semi custom markets AMD are opening? Nvidia will be pushed into releasing ever more expensive chips by Intel and AMD.

It's strange you have no confidence in Intel as you was saying how you thought Intel would go after the console market.

You have earned your brand many times over.

subbytna · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:14

Notice the Vega trademark logo is also roman numerals for VII (7 as in 7nm?)

Rroff · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:15

jigger said:
While Nvidia have zero percent of the APU and semi custom markets AMD are opening? Nvidia will be pushed into releasing ever more expensive chips by Intel and AMD.

It's strange you have no confidence in Intel as you was saying how you thought Intel would go after the console market.

You have earned your brand many times over.

Like my above posts where I suspect you are convinced I said nVidia will crush AMD I said more likely as a hypothetical when it came to Intel - as I've long said I'm sceptical of their ability to more widely expand into graphics in general especially anything gaming relevant due to the mindset of the company in product development.

jigger · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:22

subbytna said:
Notice the Vega trademark logo is also roman numerals for VII (7 as in 7nm?)

I did notice that. AMD might not even use the Vega branding for much more than a stop gap.

Gregster · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:27

Seen it all now. Jigger calling Rroff a fanboy focus group member. Why can't you debate like a grown up bud? We all want a good competing market, regardless of brand loyalty and I really hope Intel, AMD and NVidia keep striving forward with better techs and faster cards.

KentMan · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:50

Gregster said:
Seen it all now. Jigger calling Rroff a fanboy focus group member. Why can't you debate like a grown up bud? We all want a good competing market, regardless of brand loyalty and I really hope Intel, AMD and NVidia keep striving forward with better techs and faster cards.

Yeah i couldnt believe he stole your title and gave it to Rroff either Greg

Gregster · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:53

KentMan said:
Yeah i couldnt believe he stole your title and gave it to Rroff either Greg

It does make me jealous

Rroff · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:54

Gregster said:
Seen it all now. Jigger calling Rroff a fanboy focus group member. Why can't you debate like a grown up bud? We all want a good competing market, regardless of brand loyalty and I really hope Intel, AMD and NVidia keep striving forward with better techs and faster cards.

Careful he is going to think I batphoned the support group.

KentMan · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:55

Rroff said:
Careful he is going to think I batphoned the support group.

i can almost see the RTX logo in the sky from here!

D.P. · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:56

Rroff said:
He is much more likely right than you are - a more likely scenario is Intel go after AMD in the console space crushing them. There is very little outside of empty headed fanboyism that suggests AMD are crushing nVidia any time soon and a lot that would suggest AMD would come off worse if Intel are intent on new efforts in GPU space.

My belief is Intel is really after the console space, along with HPC. There is no way Intel can compete with Nvidia in the discrete GPU space, Nvidia have just to much IP, experience, cash reserves and brand.

Intel might get some action at the low end GPU market but I am sure they want to get a console contract.

Ian Evey · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:56

Hey, AMD is an anagram if MAD.

Rroff · 11 Dec 2018 at 12:59

D.P. said:
My belief is Intel is really after the console space, along with HPC. There is no way Intel can compete with Nvidia in the discrete GPU space, Nvidia have just to much IP, experience, cash reserves and brand.

Intel might get some action at the low end GPU market but I am sure they want to get a console contract.

At the back of my mind was the thinking that Intel might see console space as a leapfrog into desktop gaming market as well - the same way as some say AMD's dominance there would have an impact (yet to be seen) for discrete GPUs.

jigger · 11 Dec 2018 at 13:11

Ian Evey said:
Hey, AMD is an anagram if MAD.

Or DAM!

jigger · 11 Dec 2018 at 13:19

KentMan said:
i can almost see the RTX logo in the sky from here!

The giant psychedelic space invader of fail! Sounds about right for the team logo lol

MyBrainz · 11 Dec 2018 at 13:26

Rroff said:
At the back of my mind was the thinking that Intel might see console space as a leapfrog into desktop gaming market as well - the same way as some say AMD's dominance there would have an impact (yet to be seen) for discrete GPUs.

Intel in consoles? Prices would double, nobody wants that.

jigger · 11 Dec 2018 at 13:34

MyBrains said:
Intel in consoles? Prices would double, nobody wants that.

Maybe when Intel hit 5 or 7nm (whatever they are now working on) and get APU's that offer high-end desktop performance. Come back in 2030.

Gandahar · 11 Dec 2018 at 13:56

AthlonXP1800 said:
HAHAHA in Coreteks's pipe dream!

AMD cant crush Nvidia, AMD GPU marketshare last quarter in Q3 2018 was collapsed to 25.7% with 2.54 million cards shipped and Nvidia gained 74.3% marketshare with 7.36 million cards shipped just weeks after Turing launch.

https://www.3dcenter.org/news/die-grafikchip-und-grafikkarten-marktanteile-im-dritten-quartal-2018

AMD no doubt will have really very tough 12 months in 2019 to try recover lost GPU marketshare before Intel enter AIB marketshare in 2020 with desktop GPU to take some marketshare from Nvidia and AMD.

Sorry Coreteks lost his mind, can you imagine AMD squeeze into very tight GPU market with possible 10% marketshare in 2020. AMD will never recover with very few cards shipment.

Being an old timer this graph is very interesting. At the start you can see how the brave new world of nvidia FX got slammed by a simple ATI 9700 card that just pushed pixels and did not push the envelope. Nvidia took that on the chin, the FX 5800 Ultra being the laughing stock of the entire world and got Dyson where he is today...

nVidia came back well with 6800 series, to at least get back into the ball park. It took them till the mighty 8800GTX, one of the best nvidia video cards of all time, to start the trend to what we have today. (As an aside, for the enthusiast the 4200ti is the best video card of all time bang per buck,if you are too young to have missed it blame your parents ball bag and vagina).

And being an old timer of 50+ years I do hope ATi, sorry AMD, pull off another 9700 with the latest card which is fast and cheap and sells loads. And makes the red and green tribes sling arrows at each other as it has always been.

Amen.