If they put 10gb on there and increased the bandwidth and price I am sure no one would have been complaining. At all. This is clearly why the 6800 costs more. However, many would argue that the extra £50 to make it a fully fledged 4k card *and* next gen somewhat proof would be better than paying out over a monkey for a card that could be crying in the corner in less than a year.
This is why I did not respond to your posts. I had no reason to. It's not about who wants to be right it's about reading the market. If you seriously, honestly think it would be enough going into the next gen? I can't help you. So yes, a lot of it is guesswork and estimation. However, like I said on the previous page if you have been in the game for a while? you would be more concerned.
I have been burned on VRAM three times because of people who told me it was more than enough etc. They were wrong.
Right I do understand where you're coming from. Our disagreement is that I contend it wont be crying in a corner in less than a year, and that's where we fundamentally disagree.
I've given reasons for why I think that, such as looking at games now which are "future proof" in the sense that they offer features today which are designed to be "next gen" and to give the title longevity. Some examples of this are Crysis Remastered, FS2020, the point is that if you crank up the settings in these games you start filling up more vRAM but you also put more strain on the GPU. And the GPU is what gives out first. Benchmarks clearly show this is the case that vRAM wont exceed 10Gb but the GPU will be burdened so much that it's fundamentally unplayble.
If I'm wrong with that prediction then of course you'd have a point, the extra vRAM would be helpful at some point in future just not right in the moment, and I completely understand that argument. I just obviously disagree on the prediction itself. I understand that some cards can have this problem if the vRAM is not enough for that particular card, I'm not making a blanket statement about all cards and all vRAM configs, I'm saying this specifically about the 8Gb and 10Gb 3070 and 3080.
It already has three benefits, 1. Heavily modded games. 2. Future advantage in next gen titles. 3. Value for money.
Games are already here and in the pipeline that will benefit from having more VRAM. I'm not sure why you have to keep digging? Just stroke your 3080 order and be happy with your 10GB of VRAM, after all it is more than enough for the next few years according to you...
1) Heavily modded games is about the closest I can come to agreement. There is some evidence that modded games can exceed vRAM budgets but that has been done badly in most instances I've been presented with. All metrics I've seen so far do not measure vRAM usage, they measure vRAM allocated, which I've gone into at length what that is inaccurate and misleading. I have however seen someone explicitly stating they have used this metric, it's a post on the resetera forums about memory measurement, and they admitted they were running over 1000 mods. Modding is a reasonably niche thing to do even in PC gaming, and people who use that many mods as to exceed vRAM budgets are extremely rare. And the simple fact is these people are outliers and Nvidia aren't going to increase the cost of something like a 3080 by putting on 6Gb more vRAM to appease the few people running 1000+ mods.
2) Future advantage is speculative and based on what evidence we have right now next gen titles will be GPU bound before they become vRAM bound, and I've given evidence as to why i think that.
3) This is just wrong and based on your conspiracy like theories about Nvidia holding back on memory while pocketing the cash for themselves. In the actual real world if Nvidia added more GDDR6x chips to the 3070 and 3080 it would cost them more to build and hence they'd have to sell the card at a greater price. You'd pay more for your video card for memory that you cannot use.
No one has given an example of a next gen game that will benefit from having 16Gb over 10Gb, or if they have maybe you can point me to a source?
