Is 'blacking up' racist?

How many black people alive today in Britain have suffered any of those things?

Plenty of black people are still persecuted today, you only need to look at these very forums to see that pathetic racists still exist!
And even sadder than that it's fairly rife among our youth :(

Having worked as a part-time youth worker for nearly 7 years I have had to deal with multiple situations ranging from racist graffiti, 15 year old skinheads singing white supremacists songs in the club, regular casual racism and the worst one was having to break up a fight where a bunch of these young racists had set upon a black kid outside the youth club!

Sadly bigotry is still well alive and kicking :mad:
 
Having worked as a part-time youth worker for nearly 7 years I have had to deal with multiple situations ranging from racist graffiti, 15 year old skinheads singing white supremacists songs in the club, regular casual racism and the worst one was having to break up a fight where a bunch of these young racists had set upon a black kid outside the youth club!

Sadly bigotry is still well alive and kicking :mad:


It's kept you in a job :D
 
Plenty of black people are still persecuted today, you only need to look at these very forums to see that pathetic racists still exist!
And even sadder than that it's fairly rife among our youth :(

Having worked as a part-time youth worker for nearly 7 years I have had to deal with multiple situations ranging from racist graffiti, 15 year old skinheads singing white supremacists songs in the club, regular casual racism and the worst one was having to break up a fight where a bunch of these young racists had set upon a black kid outside the youth club!

Sadly bigotry is still well alive and kicking :mad:

Yes indeed, but it doesn't stop black people being black and it won't make someone dressing as BA using makeup to darken the colour of their skin become a racist.
If anything those supremacists might have a go at him for acting BA for the night, and me, I pity that fool!
 
Yes we should.
Its perfectly natural to divide people based on genetic differences.
Someone has red hair.
Someone has blue eyes.
Someone has curly hair.
Someone is black.
Someone is female.

Its a genetic subset. Genetics are not offensive. People thinking others are being oppressed by describing them accurately is incredible mupperty in action.

Now saying uneducated young black men are all theives, thats racist.
Using mackup to darken your skintone so you look more like MrT in a fancy dress party, no, that isn't racist.
Referring to someone having black skin because they have black coloured skin, no, thats not racist.

There's a big flaw in your argument - "black" and "white" are not an accurate description of appearance. It's a false division based on inaccurate descriptions, so your otherwise valid argument doesn't apply. Human skin colour is a spectrum, not two discrete groups. Not many people have black skin and hardly anyone has white skin. Arguably no-one, because a person with albinism will have slightly pink skin due to blood. But the key point is that "black" and "white" creates and reinforces an artificial division. It is not simply an accurate description of appearance.

Back to the OP's question: No. Wearing make-up to change your appearance to more closely match another person is not racist. You'll find some people who will consider it racist because they're so desperate to find some racism that they'll find it everywhere, but you can't do anything about those people. At heart, the problem is their own racism.
 
[..] You go ahead and refer to everyone as the same, very dull world you live in, everyone has to be the same and described as the same, I prefer a bit of varaition in my life.

This drivel really gets on my ****. It's so hypocritical and deceitful.

Arguing that each person is different is not arguing that everyone has to be the same and described as the same.

Arguing that huge groups of people should be lumped together as the same because of a biological trait that is assigned vastly more importance than it deserves is not arguing in favour of variety (or diversity, or whatever word a person prefers).

You have it backwards.
 
I hope the guy who doesn't like grouping people never has to describe someone when they didn't know their name "erm yes, I'm looking for a human, have you seem them around?"

I'm another person like that. I've often had to describe a person's appearance.

So I describe their appearance. I don't lie about it to fit some silly grouping that isn't real.

It's not difficult, e.g. "Tall guy, looks about mid 20s, medium brown skin, really short black hair, wearing jeans and a white T-shirt".

Do you really think that "black man" is a more accurate description of that person's appearance? Seriously?
 
It depends on how specific you need to be.

As a (very light skinned) mixed race guy from a predominantly black/mixed family, I find the politically correct oversensitivity of white people when it comes to perceived racism hilarious.
Maybe I'm racist? :p
 
Do you really think that "black man" is a more accurate description of that person's appearance? Seriously?

Yes because then everyone knows what you're talking about.

If someone asked me where a man with 'medium brown skin' was, I'd be thinking if I saw an Indian person or something. It's not racist to describe someone as they are. To be offended you must think it's in some way bad to be black.
 
Skipping right to the end - it used to be vogue to dress up as black people for entertainment and as such doing it now is considered bad taste.

Better off just avoiding it really, although my fiend got some stick from a black guy for dressing up a panther (blacked up) for an animal themed party, which I thought was an overreaction.
 
I'm another person like that. I've often had to describe a person's appearance.

So I describe their appearance. I don't lie about it to fit some silly grouping that isn't real.

It's not difficult, e.g. "Tall guy, looks about mid 20s, medium brown skin, really short black hair, wearing jeans and a white T-shirt".

Do you really think that "black man" is a more accurate description of that person's appearance? Seriously?

LOL at medium brown skin



if theres only one black guy then 'black guy is as accurate as any description needs to be , just like if there was only one tall white guy/ginger guy/tall guy its all that would be needed


i find it hilarious when people hesitate at saying 'black' as though its some kind of taboo. it never happens in other countries when white is the minority and why should it
 
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Meh, i totally disagree with that, just putting people in boxes to suit your shortcomings really. That's what the cliquey media/fashion people like to do.

Do you know what adjectives are?

You obviously don't know much about history and the oppression of various peoples around the world. Periods of oppressing are often followed by periods of protection.

What, like the Irish slave trade? Or the holocaust? At some time or another every race has been oppressed, identifying someone by a feature that they have (i.e. being white, black, asian etc.) isn't racist and it's idiotic to think it is.

There's a big flaw in your argument - "black" and "white" are not an accurate description of appearance. It's a false division based on inaccurate descriptions, so your otherwise valid argument doesn't apply. Human skin colour is a spectrum, not two discrete groups. Not many people have black skin and hardly anyone has white skin. Arguably no-one, because a person with albinism will have slightly pink skin due to blood. But the key point is that "black" and "white" creates and reinforces an artificial division. It is not simply an accurate description of appearance.

Whilst not technically accurate they clearly have a defined meaning within the context of race. If someone says white then you know it means that they're of European descent.

I'm another person like that. I've often had to describe a person's appearance.

So I describe their appearance. I don't lie about it to fit some silly grouping that isn't real.

It's not difficult, e.g. "Tall guy, looks about mid 20s, medium brown skin, really short black hair, wearing jeans and a white T-shirt".

Do you really think that "black man" is a more accurate description of that person's appearance? Seriously?

Medium brown? That could mean anything from Indian to Iranian, hell I could fall into that when I have a tan. Saying black clearly defines them as having African ancestry.
 
wait when one says medium brown, what are the two extremes?


anmd more importanly how the hell do you describe "white" people Angilion?

asd we sure as **** aint white, cream, peach, pink?
 
I wouldn't say so... My Dad went as Bob Marley to a fancy dress party and "blacked up" as you put it years and years ago. He is the biggest fan of Reggae ever, Honeymooned in Jamaica, took us (his kids there) when we were old enough, has thousands upon thousands of Reggae Vinyl collected over the years. Doesn't listen to anything else. Used to make it as a hobby, DJ'd on Saturday afternoons on a pirate radio station in Leicester voluntarily for fun (putting on a Rastafarian/ Jamaican accent) that was surreal listening to him as an 8 year old on the Radio from home I can say!), has just about every book on Bob Marley and Reggae in general you could imagine. Recently went to the Cinema - the first time I've ever known him to do so - to see "Marley"...

So no, to answer the question, and in a word, definitely not.

:)
 
Do you know what adjectives are?



What, like the Irish slave trade? Or the holocaust? At some time or another every race has been oppressed, identifying someone by a feature that they have (i.e. being white, black, asian etc.) isn't racist and it's idiotic to think it is.



Whilst not technically accurate they clearly have a defined meaning within the context of race. If someone says white then you know it means that they're of European descent.



Medium brown? That could mean anything from Indian to Iranian, hell I could fall into that when I have a tan. Saying black clearly defines them as having African ancestry.


You come across as a narrow minded person who loves to stereotype. In an ideal world we would all be humans. We don't need to characteristic people on their looks. This is not crimewatch.
 
You come across as a narrow minded person who loves to stereotype. In an ideal world we would all be humans. We don't need to characteristic people on their looks. This is not crimewatch.

so how do you point people out?

jsmoke: "hey loo kat that person over there"

*points at large crowd of people*

jsmokes friend: I hate you.
 
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