Is David Moyes a good manager?

He's stabilised a club which was pretty much doomed for relegation - made us into European Qualification contenders on a shoe-string budget.

Gotta hand it to him.

Pros


  • Signs great players (Lescott, Arteta, Cahill, Baines, Jagielka, Fellaini etc.)
  • Stable.
  • Will never get relegated.
  • Good relationship with players.
  • Decent man management (not afraid to give a *******ing)

Cons


  • Has his favorites (Howard, Neville..)
  • Unable to get strikers to score.
  • Too defensive.
  • Long-ball at times, not a real plan B.
 
To answer the question, yes he is a good manager, nothing more and nothing less.

But i don't think he's cut out to manage bigger clubs personally, i think he does well for Everton and i can see him doing good for other teams on the same level.

I don't think he has a plan b, and i also don't think he'd buy the right players at other clubs. and he has a good knack at breaking strikers.

I'm looking forward to Everton freshening up next year (Moyes is off, think that's for certain) with a new manager and new idea's. Would like to see Martinez, or possibly Nigel Adkins maybe given a go.
 
Youstolemyname said:
When the Arsenal job comes up in the summer I still don't think he will have the bottle to take it
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You really think he'll be offered it? It seems like for the last 3-4 years people are talking about whether Moyes will leave Everton at the end of the season but always ends up staying. I suspect the reason why is because there's only 6 clubs he could join that would be a step up and I can't see any of them even considering Moyes. Maybe Spurs but that ship has sailed.

Moyes has done a decent job at Everton and to an extent (and only an extent because I don't think people realise what Everton spend on wages) has overachieved in a few of his seasons but he's done it in a similar way Fat Sam's Bolton side did. *that's not meant to be as much of a criticism as it sounds nor am I saying he plays long ball football*

He manages in a way that gets the best out of a squad of fairly limited players. He doesn't set his team up in the way a manager at a club aspiring for the top does (like Martinez does at Wigan or Swansea do and have done) so unless he achieves something special at Everton - which he hasn't, there's not anything (imo) to suggest that he'll be able to take his relative success at Everton and replicate it at a bigger club. At the very least there's little going for him over other candidates anyway.
 
Youstolemyname said:
When the Arsenal job comes up in the summer I still don't think he will have the bottle to take it
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Where in the world do you get that the Arsenal job will be up in the summer??:confused:.

Wenger is staying till 2014 at least...plus I don't think I'd want Moyes at Arsenal...he won't offer us much in the way of trophies or titles.
 
BaZ87 said:
Moyes has done a decent job at Everton and to an extent (and only an extent because I don't think people realise what Everton spend on wages)
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Not a lot, this was shown in another thread a month or so ago where only in the last 12 months or so the wages have gone up a fair bit other than that in all his years there his spending on transfers or the wage bill was comparable only to teams in the bottom half and the clubs that get relegated.

People now seem to want to suggest as the wage bill rose a fair bit in the last 12 months that all of a sudden we have wages in comparison to the teams around us.

As I said in this post a while back we are consistently in the bottom for spending including wages....

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23648664&postcount=2331
 
dannyjo22 said:
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It's not quite so straight forward as that. 1 years spending doesn't build a side. You might have in any individual year more than just the top 5-6 clubs spending more than Everton but if you look at it over the 11(?) years Moyes has been at Everton, it's probably only Villa and the sides above Everton now that have spent more in that period. After spending the 7-8th most over a period of 11 years, Everton should be in a position where they're finishing around 7th or 8th.
 
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He's been excellent at Everton, often down to his tactics and getting a fantastic team spirit going, and deserves a chance at a bigger club (no disrespect to Everton). However, that doesn't mean that he'll be able to get it together when he has money to spend.

He should have a chance at the top level, but I don't know whether he'll cut it when he gets that chance.
 
BaZ87 said:
It's not quite so straight forward as that. 1 years spending doesn't build a side. You might have in any individual year more than just the top 5-6 clubs spending more than Everton but if you look at it over the 11(?) years Moyes has been at Everton, it's probably only Villa and the sides above Everton now that have spent more in that period. After spending the 7-8th most over a period of 11 years, Everton should be in a position where they're finishing around 7th or 8th.
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Exactly which is what the graphic in my linked post shows and I linked year by year how many more teams spent more than us.

Every year 8 teams or more out spent us except one year where we only had 3 teams out spend us.
 
He's good but he's not ready for a CL club IMO. If a team like Chelsea or Man U take a gamble on him I'd be very surprised. Arsenal would suit him better...
 
I think he is a decent manager but can't see him in charge of a top team apart from maybe United when Fergie retires and I think he'd struggle at the beginning. Maybe even Arsenal but it wouldn't be as big of a deal if he didn't win a trophy there ;)

He wouldn't go to Chelsea as his reputation would be ruined within a season if he didn't win the Champions League, and Man City wouldn't give him a shot, they would want a foreign big name manager. United and Arsenal I can't see it happening but out of the top teams in England, they're the only two that would give him time to build his squad and give him a fair shot.

If he were to leave Everton in the summer I'd love to think Stoke would try and get him in, i'd give my left nut to see him in charge :D (This will never ever happen).

Everton fans don't know how lucky they are!
 
The thing with Everton is, they've massively over-achieved with Moyes in charge (saying this as an Everton fan), but despite that, they almost should be over-achieving by even more. It all averages out over time and we end up about where we deserve (the table never lies!) but you look at the contrasts between some performances, and know they could be playing better half the time. Wigan game at the weekend is a good starter.

I don't think we're likely to do much better than Moyes given the funds available, but equally, there's a lot of evidence produced from his sides that we should be doing better. Phil Neville decided yesterday finishing inside the top 10 is a good achievement for Everton, and while it's hard to swallow, realistically he's right (voicing it in the first place though, not a good thing to hear from your club captain).

Moyes is a good manager, he's worked miracles with what he has at Everton, but his philosophy doesn't seem complete enough to be able to go the final step, whatever club he's at imo.
 
Watch what happens to Everton if Moyes leaves before you class what he's done there as mediocre
 
Tom84 said:
Watch what happens to Everton if Moyes leaves before you class what he's done there as mediocre
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^ This. I don't think he can take Everton any further than he has already, but I'm not certain who's going to do any better with the way things are at the moment. If we get a new manager, we need a whole new regime or we could quite easily "do a Villa".
 
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