What I said there doesn't contradict what he said - it only applies to a small number of monitors that borrow a post processing implementation from TVs which causes stutter if you don't have a high framerate overhead to play with.
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Is "Freesync" dead?
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What I said there doesn't contradict what he said - it only applies to a small number of monitors that borrow a post processing implementation from TVs which causes stutter if you don't have a high framerate overhead to play with.
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It actually does. Sure, it wasn't your intention however, I will refer to it to show him that his bickering is in vain.
There are like 2 Samsung monitors that implement it I only added it as an exception in case anyone took the rest of my post too absolutely.
Please don't edit out the main of what i'm saying when quoting me.
At this point I think they are just trolling.
Melmac you are woefully lacking any personal experience or knowledge on the subject. People in this post have proven you assertion incorrect if you had just read their post before replying or just edit your post to make a correction I would have understood. Tragic really.
That is what rebranding does. You are again, incorrect and haven't written in a way that shows you understand the subject you're so vehemently against.
As to the last part of your post. FS2 is about the implementation of HDR (yes there are others but this is the biggest difference between them). AMD will have developers use their method. I've said that in my prior post.
FS monitors already have low latency and already offers LFC. Did you really believe that monitors that offer FS didn't have those 2 things until FS2? LOL, wow.
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Ok I found an article discussing it a bit more how HDR will work in games using FS2 (which I would assume next gen consoles as well).
https://www.techspot.com/article/1630-freesync-2-explained/
I do hope you gain some insight.
This brings us to back to one of my original statements. I as well as others don't need it because we don't see tearing in our games. Therefore, as far as I'm concerned Free/G sync is dead, but not because of what nvidia is trying to do.
*sigh* how can I argue with somebody showing this level of ignorance? I can see why others have left the discussion, you are talking pure and utter nonsense.
Rroff's statement doesn't show what you think it shows. And it doesn't support your argument either. It actually supports my argument. How can you be so daft it beyond me. Tearing is a problem, it occurs in all monitors without some kind of tech to solve the problem it will happen. The Samsung solution only masks the problem and it doesn't deal at all with frame drops.
I see you selectively quoted Humbug's post. Here is the whole post.
Adaptive Sync and Gsync solve a lot more problems than just tearing. But you see that's your problem, you started this discussion on a flawed premise and you have no choice but to twists the facts and selectively misquote to try and show that you are right.
It's not working though, and most people on this thread have seen through your BS.
Do I need to quote you your own post? Where you stated Freesync is a dead, outdated Technology and that Freesync 2 is the way forward. Only certain FS monitors have LFC and low Latency. For a monitor to have Freesync 2 displayed it has to support both as well as a certain standard of HDR. The HDR that's on the monitors is an open Standard, VESA's DisplayHDR standard. The API that you are talking about is on the GPU and convincing developers to use it is AMD's problem, but it won't affect how Nvidia use their drivers to connect to the same HDR monitor. Don't you understand that?
Oh, I am sure he will try to twist it to seem like it actually does.
@EastCoastHandle serious question. ( I know I'm going to regret this)
If tearing isn't such a problem as you have said, why have NVidia and AMD and even Intel, not forgetting the monitor manufactures expended so much time and effort bringing us VRR in all its various forms?
If tearing isn't such a problem as you have said, why have NVidia and AMD and even Intel, not forgetting the monitor manufactures expended so much time and effort bringing us VRR in all its various forms?
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I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this. What's more comical is the fact that they turned on each other proving my point.
Season 2 was a lot less boring then season 1
.At this point all that is left for them to do is a consistent regurgitation of the same fallacies. Yet, some clearly see and posted that when "sync" is disabled there is no tearing. "You don't say" meme comes to mind. Hahahaha...it just writes itself.
We've finally established that one can (depending on Monitor) in fact turn off "sync" and not get tearing. Therefore, it being dead has nothing to do with Nvidia (which is a bad business move IMO). It's just simply not needed for some. Which is what I said from the beginning.
I really enjoyed this.
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Nothing you've said is remotely grounded in fact.
99.999% of the monitors out there when you don't have adaptive sync (G-Sync or FreeSync) enabled will tear with V-Sync disabled - there a tiny number of models that have a post processing option that does similar to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXppnkj2qY but if you don't keep a high framerate you will get serious stuttering or noticeable frame jerking so still inferior to adaptive sync.
99.999% of the monitors out there when you don't have adaptive sync (G-Sync or FreeSync) enabled will tear with V-Sync disabled - there a tiny number of models that have a post processing option that does similar to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXppnkj2qY but if you don't keep a high framerate you will get serious stuttering or noticeable frame jerking so still inferior to adaptive sync.
I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this. What's more comical is the fact that they turned on each other proving my point.
Season 2 was a lot less boring then season 1
At this point all that is left for them to do is a consistent regurgitation of the same fallacies. Yet, some clearly see and posted that when "sync" is disabled there is no tearing. "You don't say" meme comes to mind. Hahahaha...it just writes itself.
We've finally established that one can (depending on Monitor) in fact turn off "sync" and not get tearing. Therefore, it being dead has nothing to do with Nvidia (which is a bad business move IMO). It's just simply not needed for some. Which is what I said from the beginning.
I really enjoyed this.
I'm calling you a troll. Pretty much everything you've said in this thread is nonsense.
Here we are all those pages later, that there are people who support Nvidia anti consumer practices.
The outcry on the Blender community for NV trying to enforce CUDA, represents how real consumers should be thinking and reacting.
But well this is PC blah blah blah excuses, strengthen the opinion that Nvidia is elevated to religion in this forum.
The outcry on the Blender community for NV trying to enforce CUDA, represents how real consumers should be thinking and reacting.
But well this is PC blah blah blah excuses, strengthen the opinion that Nvidia is elevated to religion in this forum.
I agree and I should have stopped replying earlier. I apologise for feeding the troll
Yes, I was very tempted to, but, it ruins the flow of some conversations, so I only use it as a last resort.
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Here's another interesting tidbit for season 2.
Looks like AMD is releasing more FS2 monitor(s).
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15014/aoc-reveals-agon-ag273qx-a-27inch-165-hz-freesync-2-monitor
Meanwhile, way back at FS, Samsung is denying that Gysnc Compatible is even compatible with freesync, LOL
This is how dumb this whole thing is. AMD is moving on while nvidia trys to rebrand old tech.
While some of us don't have to worry about using it at all.
Looks like AMD is releasing more FS2 monitor(s).
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15014/aoc-reveals-agon-ag273qx-a-27inch-165-hz-freesync-2-monitor
Meanwhile, way back at FS, Samsung is denying that Gysnc Compatible is even compatible with freesync, LOL
This is how dumb this whole thing is. AMD is moving on while nvidia trys to rebrand old tech.
While some of us don't have to worry about using it at all.
Here's another interesting tidbit for season 2.
Looks like AMD is releasing more FS2 monitor(s).
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15014/aoc-reveals-agon-ag273qx-a-27inch-165-hz-freesync-2-monitor
Meanwhile, way back at FS, Samsung is denying that Gysnc Compatible is even compatible with freesync, LOL
This is how dumb this whole thing is. AMD is moving on while nvidia trys to rebrand old tech.
While some of us don't have to worry about using it at all.
lol all that is, is the guy on the chat doesn't know what FreeSync is and it isn't listed on the spec sheet so he says it isn't supported.
Yeah - sometimes if someone quotes you and someone on your ignore list in the same post it looks like they are just replying to you and it takes awhile to make sense of it hah.
I have been away on holiday and was reading the forum late one night when I was drunk and read what you have been saying and I seriously thought you was winding people up. I re-read again today and I actually think you believe what you are typing. I have had some very expensive monitors pre-GSync and they have all shown tearing over the monitors refresh rate. V-Sync worked ok but input lag and stutter are a nightmare scenario and G/Freesync was a godsend. You might want to educate yourself by doing some research, as you are seriously wrong.I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this. What's more comical is the fact that they turned on each other proving my point.
Season 2 was a lot less boring then season 1
At this point all that is left for them to do is a consistent regurgitation of the same fallacies. Yet, some clearly see and posted that when "sync" is disabled there is no tearing. "You don't say" meme comes to mind. Hahahaha...it just writes itself.
We've finally established that one can (depending on Monitor) in fact turn off "sync" and not get tearing. Therefore, it being dead has nothing to do with Nvidia (which is a bad business move IMO). It's just simply not needed for some. Which is what I said from the beginning.
I really enjoyed this.
Further on this issue, I woulkd suggest people watch this weeks WAN show from LTT. (from about 15mins in for the relevant bit)
Completely debunks the rumour of product placement, being paid for by NVidia. Definitely not happening.
Edit: Dammit I cannot get it to start the clip at the right time sorry.