Is it dangerous to change the fan on a PSU?

you will get a little shock from the capacitors if not discharged and you touch them. nothing that would kill you though.
Perfectly safe provided it's isolated.
Yes the Cap's inside can give you a little jolt but unless you have an extremly weak heart then they certainly don't store enough charge to significantly hurt you.

rubbish. the main rectifying capacitor in high-grade PSU's are usually 500,000uF, 660V caps, which is EASILY enough to make you very dead.

Also, PSU's are controlled electronically by the motherboard. turning it off at the mains/unplugging it and then pressing the power button will do NOTHING. it WILL NOT discharge the caps inside.
 
Quite possibly some of the worst 'advice' I've ever read. :p

RE: the shorting with a screwdriver thing...

Quite agree - I wasn't under any circumstances suggesting doing it without resistance tool of some kind, but pointing out it was possible and some engineers I've met liked to wake up the office when working inside a crt screen :)
 
Changing the fan is a doddle. Avoiding a nasty sting requires you have your wits about you.

disconnect the PC from the mains, let it drain. But, you'll be avoiding the capacitors anyway.

Take note of where the HV and LV sides of the power supply are, the are almost always clearly deliniated. Simple rule, nothing on the LV side will do more than make you go "ooooch", and that's if you are a consumate pillock and shove sweaty paws onto the pins of the caps. Nothing on the HV side of the PSU is any of your business, "THIS WAY BE DRAGONS!!!", mess with anything on that side without being fully qualified and in possession of the PSU's service manual, and you die/fry your PC/set fire to your wife and kids.

Last time I had to change a fan, the connector was a bitch to get to, I could get the old fan off, but no way could I squeeze the new connector in between the caps, and trannies and what have you, obviously I didn't want to mechanically stress any component....so I fitted the new fan, ran it's cable through beside the main multicore, and hooked it up to the Molex loom. I musta stared at it for 20mins running it round and round in my head, convinced I MUST be breaking some fundamental electrical rule. But of course I wasn't, fan was running off the same power, from same place,only the connector had moved. Still, any PSU mod should be checked about 3 dozen times mentally, visually and MOST importantly, mechanically before you even think of hitting that switch.

Remember, ickle wires and ickle components= ickle voltage (and even ickler chance of any appreciable residual charge). Thick wires, big bruisey components and heavy solder tags=big volts=bzzzzzzzzzzt THUMP (potentially even when off, although the caps in PSU's are lightweights up against the HT supply caps in CRTs.....wanna set the olympic long jump record (posthumously by the time you land), shove one of those on your leg.)

Also...no terminal blocks, no tape and no bloody twist+hopes inside the PSU chassis, that way, again, dragons, big scaly bad tempered ones.


If you really are a total numpty, get someone else to do it, one of your mates will have a dad who can field strip a live television without it blinking, ask him to do it.
And if you really wanna do it yourself....take sollace from the fact that 240v PROBABLY wont kill you, or I'd not be here.




Worst thing I ever seen was someone sit on a live benchrigged PSU for a Moog synth, not sure what was funnier, the look on the guys face as 240V when up his tradesman's, or the fact the the Moog did a little Whoop up in pitch when he did it.
Of course YMMV and a teeny jolt could leave you a martyr to MHz

Best post I've read all week, made me laugh out loud. :):)
 
RE: the shorting with a screwdriver thing...

Quite agree - I wasn't under any circumstances suggesting doing it without resistance tool of some kind, but pointing out it was possible and some engineers I've met liked to wake up the office when working inside a crt screen :)

No, I know you weren't advocating it mate, that's partly why I put 'advice'. :p
 
Just for the record, 3 people a year are killed putting their tongue onto a 9v PP3 Battery

Also a few millamps will NOT hurt you.... Nor will high voltages.

High Amps can hurt you however...

How do you think that tazer guns, are almost harmless ( 50.000Volts but next to no amps ) whereas as 12v car battery can easy kill you.
 
How do you think that tazer guns, are almost harmless ( 50.000Volts but next to no amps ) whereas as 12v car battery can easy kill you.

A car battery can’t kill you dude lol, the resistance of your normally dry hands is sufficiently high enough to limit the current to a few harmless microamps. Even if your hands were damp the current flow will still not be sufficient enough to injure. The old adage is still correct - no current, no dead!

Just for the record, 3 people a year are killed putting their tongue onto a 9v PP3 Battery

and on average 8 people a year die from wiping their backside, fact! so go figure.
 
Source not Sauce.

God knows? I read it somewhere... One onf those list of statistis...Check out Wiki perhaps?
Its on a list of statistics that also admit to saying that 90% of statictical facts are made up

LOL

Oh, just entered this into Google "pp3 battery tongue die" and the first one to come up has the gubbins you need.


I think "almost harmless" is a bit of an understatement considering they have killed hundreds of people. ;)

Has it?

SOURCE?

Or shall I type SAUCE LOL
 
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I'd also love to know how you could die from a 12V car battery. Unless you stick your tongue on it, 12V just ain't enough to cause any sort of current to flow through a human.

I'm not denying that its amps rather than the voltage that kills, but you don't get one without the other.
 
Source not Sauce.

God knows? I read it somewhere... One onf those list of statistis...Check out Wiki perhaps?
Its on a list of statistics that also admit to saying that 90% of statictical facts are made up

LOL

Oh, just entered this into Google "pp3 battery tongue die" and the first one to come up has the gubbins you need.




Has it?

SOURCE?

Or shall I type SAUCE LOL

So your sauce is a forum post with no citation?

Are you high? :p

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/vault/cgi-bin/gazette/view/2007G/05/23-25.HTM

"Since they began their research in 2001, Amnesty International has confirmed 245 Taser-related deaths, she said."
 
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I'm not denying that its amps rather than the voltage that kills, but you don't get one without the other.

They do go hand in hand yes.



So your sauce is a forum post with no citation?

Are you high? :p

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/vault/cgi-bin/gazette/view/2007G/05/23-25.HTM

"Since they began their research in 2001, Amnesty International has confirmed 245 Taser-related deaths, she said."

Oh come on, read my entire post with that source... I said that 90% of statistics... Meaning that Im not entirely convinced about these figures either... but there is somethign in them surely


Another link that may yeild more kludge

9v Battery can kill... or not?

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html
 
Almost any tiny jolt can stop your heart if goes down the wrong "wires" inside you.
It is however a question of probabilities.



Probability that licking a 9v Battery (I also test LV PSU's that way), will finish you off is what we scientists (lol) call....really F*in small.
Probability that biting an overhead 22KV transmission line while gripping a copper rod, the other end of which is is a pool of heavily contaiminated water will turn you into a small pile of carbon particles=pretty close to 1.
Probability that a PC will survive you doing something donkey-brained in your PSU= kinda low.


BTW...aluminium cases!
That's all I'm saying, if that's not reason enough to be extra special super careful I dunno what is.
 
actually, you can walk along a train track, or even the massive Electric pylons (the ones the crosses the countrysides, bringing the leccy), as long as you are not touching anything else. if you JUST walk along one pylon (or hang from it and use your hands to move) there is no potential difference.

With no potential difference, your safe. so if you on a trian track, remain on the ONE track, or jump off.
 
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