Is it worth cashing in my 2080ti for a RTX 3080? Use a RTX 2060 in the short term?

[ANDREW GREEN]

Except Nvidia has gone mad on pricing since 2000 series.

As I mentioned already Nvidia can and will charge the moon (as much as we all hate it), they would only bring pricing back down to more sane and bang for bucks level on Earth when AMD has something that can give them a run for their money (e.g. there would have been no 780ti or the Super cards if AMD didn't push Nvidia to react; they would have continue deliberately hold back the performance they could actually deliver to dip-feed the users).

He is not giving Nvidia idea, Nvidia already got it all figured out their own, and we are just commenting on it based on our knowledge and understanding of how Nvidia operates. We don't like the situation anymore than you do, but that is just the harsh reality of how the current graphic card market is like.

The thing is there will be competition this time round

And a 3070 will most likely be a 60 class card anyway, given there's going to be a 3090. I predict:

3090 - 1300-1500
3080ti - 1000-1200
3080 - 600-700 - 2080ti performance
3070 - 450-500 - 2080 Super performance
3060 - 300-350 - 2070 Super performance

 

[HACO]

You’re crazy and I’d prefer it if people kept such ridiculous comments off the forum in case NVidia get idea.

the 3070 should trade blows with the 2080ti for no more than £500.

780ti to 970 and 970 to 1070 showed that things have been reasonable in the past.

It's so ridiculous, it's not like Nvidia has ever done this before!

I would be extremely happy if Nvidia released a 3070 (or whatever its name) that is sub £500 and equals the performance of a 2080 Ti.

I would also call it wishful thinking. That card would probably be named 3080 and marketed for the £800-1000 category, unless AMD will release a £500 card that equals 2080 Ti.

 

[HACO]

The thing is there will be competition this time round

And a 3070 will most likely be a 60 class card anyway, given there's going to be a 3090. I predict:

3090 - 1300-1500
3080ti - 1000-1200
3080 - 600-700 - 2080ti performance
3070 - 450-500 - 2080 Super performance
3060 - 300-350 - 2070 Super performance

There is promise of competition this time around. That's different to actual competition. It only becomes actual competition after they release the product and we all see it in action.

I hope AMD releases a sub £500 product that equals/beats the 2080 Ti. I am not holding my breath. I think they will beat the 2080 Ti, but with their halo product rather than a sub £500 one.

 

[justwondering]

The thing is though as a result of them pushing lower end SKU up and labelling them higher number than the cards is, it has created a situation where Nvidia cards at the sub £180 segment is under-performing, with only the buzzword "efficiency" and "bus-powered" going for them. The RX570 was literally 50% faster than the 1050ti at the same price point, with only the drawbacks of slightly higher power-consumption and one external PCI-E power. A lowly 128-bit bus card don't belong in the £150 and above price point.

The RX 470 and RX 570 are both excellent budget cards and can be picked up pretty cheaply, if I was gaming at 1080p, I would happily use one as a stop gap card.

 

[TNA]

It's so ridiculous, it's not like Nvidia has ever done this before!

I would be extremely happy if Nvidia released a 3070 (or whatever its name) that is sub £500 and equals the performance of a 2080 Ti.

I would also call it wishful thinking. That card would probably be named 3080 and marketed for the £800-1000 category, unless AMD will release a £500 card that equals 2080 Ti.

Lol.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

There is promise of competition this time around. That's different to actual competition. It only becomes actual competition after they release the product and we all see it in action.

I hope AMD releases a sub £500 product that equals/beats the 2080 Ti. I am not holding my breath. I think they will beat the 2080 Ti, but with their halo product rather than a sub £500 one.

I think will AMD smash the 2080ti and match a 3080ti but not a 3090. The 5700 XT isn't that far behind a 2080ti and AMDs top end will have twice the compute units and have 50% better performance per watt on RDNA 2

Raw speed aside, it could be AMD even match raw speed because of their superior silicon but perform worse on ray tracing.

 

[justwondering]

Couldn't resist, picked up a bargain priced used Palit rtx 2080 gaming Pro OC delivered for £257.89! Arrived today, overclocks nicely too +125 on the core and 700mhz on the memory.

So I'm going to sell my RTX 2060 super, excellent card though, played Death stranding in quality mode at 4k 60fps with no issues, with DLSS becoming more popular, there maybe less incentive to jump in for a higher 30X0 card.

 

[Too Tall]

Couldn't resist, picked up a bargain priced used Palit rtx 2080 gaming Pro OC delivered for £257.89! Arrived today, overclocks nicely too +125 on the core and 700mhz on the memory.

So I'm going to sell my RTX 2060 super, excellent card though, played Death stranding in quality mode at 4k 60fps with no issues, with DLSS becoming more popular, there maybe less incentive to jump in for a higher 30X0 card.

Great find!

 

[HACO]

Couldn't resist, picked up a bargain priced used Palit rtx 2080 gaming Pro OC delivered for £257.89! Arrived today, overclocks nicely too +125 on the core and 700mhz on the memory.

So I'm going to sell my RTX 2060 super, excellent card though, played Death stranding in quality mode at 4k 60fps with no issues, with DLSS becoming more popular, there maybe less incentive to jump in for a higher 30X0 card.

I sold my 2080 for more than twice that price. Great find!

 

[g67575]

Hell yeah, sell it, some used 2080 TIs went for ~£800 in the last week on *a popular auction website*. Just use what ever graphics you've got until next generation is released, probably only 2-3 months away...

EDIT - just read above post, looks like a steal

 

[justwondering]

Hell yeah, sell it, some used 2080 TIs went for ~£800 in the last week on *a popular auction website*. Just use what ever graphics you've got until next generation is released, probably only 2-3 months away...

EDIT - just read above post, looks like a steal

I bought it on the usual auction site, nice card, it will take the edge off the need to dive straight in on a 30X0 card, as I would like at least RTX 2080ti power at a good price, hoping they announce a rtx 2080ti killer for around £650 ish, finger crossed... confirmed specifications must surely becoming soon.

 

[Jacky60]

I remember that generation, and whilst HD6850 1GB did came out a little bit later than the 460 1GB averaging at around £170-£200 (sub £150 GTX460 was the 768MB version), the market at the time already had the popular HD5850 1GB (a beast of a card for its generation as well as value) at £190-£220 that's on average around 10% faster than both the GTX460 1GB and HD6850, so Nvidia didn't exactly have the freedom to price the GTX460 1GB higher than the HD5850.

Yea the GTX460 1GB was indeed a great card at a great price for the mainstream gamer, it was pretty much Nvidia's HD5850 (closer enough) for people that refer Nvidia. Shame that for the equivalent of GTX460 1GB today such as the 1070 or 2060 people would now have to fork out £300+ for.

Quite franking I miss the bang for bucks for graphic cards like those generations, before the came along of Nvidia's pull wool over eyes with rebranding of 60/60Ti spec cards to 70/80 naming with a price to match.

If the 3070 was faster than the 2080ti, Nvidia will not price it lower than it as it would be shooting themselves in the foot. They will control the supply and availability of the 3070 and keep the price high, until they have sold off most of the remaining 2080ti at high price that are still in the channel.

They have done this when they had still too many 1060 GPU left due to over-production trying to milk the mining broom, which was why they launch 2060/2070 cards essentially stacking above existing pricing of the previous gen cards. Had they released cards with performance of the Super lines right off the bet, it will make the 1060 cards even more obsolete and even harder to shift.

Well you're saying the opposite to what has happened for the for the three previous generations. I doubt even Nvidia would have the gall to price the 3070 at £999 or above or anything like that. £500 max!

 

[Marine-RX179]

Well you're saying the opposite to what has happened for the for the three previous generations. I doubt even Nvidia would have the gall to price the 3070 at £999 or above or anything like that. £500 max!

Nvidia has been playing with the naming game for so long now the naming for the cards has pretty much lost the reference to the performance of the card actually offer.

Mind you that the 2070 that launch at just under £500 was 10-12% slower than the 1080ti, while the 2080 that was slightly faster than the 1080ti was launched at a higher price than the 1080ti.

People keep shouting 3070 faster than 2080ti at under £500 need a reality check and understand how business works. Only when AMD bring out competing product would Nvidia adjust the pricing of their product and the product line-up accordingly; if AMD is not in the picture, Nvidia only has itself as completion, and they wouldn't price their faster card at lower price than their slower card (as demonstrated by the launch of the 2080 against the 1080ti that was still on the market)...they want to clear out old gen cards that are still on the shelves first. Also the demand always exceed supply at launch at every new gen launch, so they are in no rush to shift new gen cards too quickly at launch or they would just end-up with no stock for the gen cards to shift, while the old gen cards left rotten on the shelves.

 

[Jacky60]

Nvidia has been playing with the naming game for so long now the naming for the cards has pretty much lost the reference to the performance of the card actually offer.

Mind you that the 2070 that launch at just under £500 was 10-12% slower than the 1080ti, while the 2080 that was slightly faster than the 1080ti was launched at a higher price than the 1080ti.

People keep shouting 3070 faster than 2080ti at under £500 need a reality check and understand how business works. Only when AMD bring out competing product would Nvidia adjust the pricing of their product and the product line-up accordingly; if AMD is not in the picture, Nvidia only has itself as completion, and they wouldn't price their faster card at lower price than their slower card (as demonstrated by the launch of the 2080 against the 1080ti that was still on the market)...they want to clear out old gen cards that are still on the shelves first. Also the demand always exceed supply at launch at every new gen launch, so they are in no rush to shift new gen cards too quickly at launch or they would just end-up with no stock for the gen cards to shift, while the old gen cards left rotten on the shelves.

I'm pretty sure that in the face of the coming competition from AMD and consoles we'll see 2080ti performance at £500 or less by Xmas. I know you want to pay more and I think you should but that's what I'm buying myself for Xmas (Its £899 for you btw!).

 

[HACO]

Nvidia has been playing with the naming game for so long now the naming for the cards has pretty much lost the reference to the performance of the card actually offer.

Mind you that the 2070 that launch at just under £500 was 10-12% slower than the 1080ti, while the 2080 that was slightly faster than the 1080ti was launched at a higher price than the 1080ti.

People keep shouting 3070 faster than 2080ti at under £500 need a reality check and understand how business works. Only when AMD bring out competing product would Nvidia adjust the pricing of their product and the product line-up accordingly; if AMD is not in the picture, Nvidia only has itself as completion, and they wouldn't price their faster card at lower price than their slower card (as demonstrated by the launch of the 2080 against the 1080ti that was still on the market)...they want to clear out old gen cards that are still on the shelves first. Also the demand always exceed supply at launch at every new gen launch, so they are in no rush to shift new gen cards too quickly at launch or they would just end-up with no stock for the gen cards to shift, while the old gen cards left rotten on the shelves.

Couldn't agree more. While I would be thrilled if the whole hope of "3070 faster than 2080 Ti at under £500" turns out to be anything other than wishful thinking, I think it just is wishful thinking. Unless AMD releases a sub £500 product that beats 2080 Ti.

I'm pretty sure that in the face of the coming competition from AMD and consoles we'll see 2080ti performance at £500 or less by Xmas. I know you want to pay more and I think you should but that's what I'm buying myself for Xmas (Its £899 for you btw!).

Since when showing a scepticism in Nvidia's pricing strategy means that someone wants to pay more? There's a difference between "What I think is going to happen" versus "What I want to happen"

 

[McGraw]

Like always, NVIDIA will deliver higher performance but also at higher prices. NVIDIA doesn't usually offer a significant Price/Performance improvement at launch of a new generation.

Call me crazy, but if RTX 3070 is as fast as RTX 2080 Ti, then we'll see it at £999. RTX 3080 could be 30% faster than 2080 Ti, but it will also be £1500.

Funny, was quite happy with the perf increase from my 970 to 1070.

your second sentence is crazy. Whether it’s you, NVidia or the people who buy the cards remains to be seen.

 

[HACO]

Funny, was quite happy with the perf increase from my 970 to 1070.

your second sentence is crazy. Whether it’s you, NVidia or the people who buy the cards remains to be seen.

I stand by what I said. Flagship prices continue to increase. I consider the whole “2080 Ti performance for £500” to be wishful thinking, unless AMD also matches that level of price/performance.

we shall see, I’d love to be proven wrong.

 

[McGraw]

I stand by what I said. Flagship prices continue to increase. I consider the whole “2080 Ti performance for £500” to be wishful thinking, unless AMD also matches that level of price/performance.

we shall see, I’d love to be proven wrong.

well the 1070 traded with the 980ti so you’re not much of a GPU historian,

 

[HACO]

well the 1070 traded with the 980ti so you’re not much of a GPU historian,

Exception rather than the norm.

 

[McGraw]

Exception rather than the norm.

780ti to 970?