Is Messi a genetically engineered cheat?

I think he is manufactured and this will taint his legacy. No matter what anyone says, he took steroids to boost his development as a youngster.

You have to ask would he be the same player without this drugs treatment? If not then he is tainted.

Ive mentioned this in threads numerous times before.
 
The Running Man said:
I think he is manufactured and this will taint his legacy. No matter what anyone says, he took steroids to boost his development as a youngster.

You have to ask would he be the same player without this drugs treatment? If not then he is tainted.

Ive mentioned this in threads numerous times before.
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maybe he would've been better? the point is, we will never know and should just enjoy the fact that he has done something incredible with his life
 
The Running Man said:
I think he is manufactured and this will taint his legacy. No matter what anyone says, he took steroids to boost his development as a youngster.

You have to ask would he be the same player without this drugs treatment? If not then he is tainted.

Ive mentioned this in threads numerous times before.
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And no one really pays any attention to what you say evidently...as someone already mentioned, which you didnt see or ignored more likely..is that he always had the skills to be a good footballer...the drugs were given to him to make him grow a bit taller.
 
The Running Man said:
I think he is manufactured and this will taint his legacy. No matter what anyone says, he took steroids to boost his development as a youngster.

You have to ask would he be the same player without this drugs treatment? If not then he is tainted.

Ive mentioned this in threads numerous times before.
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And as I said to the other guy, if that's the case then all you've managed to do it look ignorant in numerous threads before.

For a start HGH is not a "steroid"

People who know nothing about something, especially if it has a bit of a dramatic sounding name like "Human Growth Hormone" tend to just make up their minds without any real facts to hand at all.

Do you know what deficiency Messi had? Do you know the doses of HGH he took? Do you even know how HGH could allegedly boost his performance at football? By how much?
 
Spawn said:
And no one really pays any attention to what you say evidently...as someone already mentioned, which you didnt see or ignored more likely..is that he always had the skills to be a good footballer...the drugs were given to him to make him grow a bit taller.
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Okay. yes he might have had skill before i completely agree.

but then without drugs maybe instead of bouncing off people and running through them, he'd just get ploughed over and injured regularly, thus stopping him from being the player he is now.

Hgh when injected acts like a steroid. its not natural of course and can help you to attain ￦27% increase in muscle mass density etc that you wouldnt be able to achieve naturally. This is what happened to messi.
 
Very scientific. we are saying that he got those stats because he juiced when he was younger had he not taken the HGH when he would be literally 3/4 the man he is today. i.e 4ft7 with a lot less muscle mass.
 
The Running Man said:
Okay. yes he might have had skill before i completely agree.

but then without drugs maybe instead of bouncing off people and running through them, he'd just get ploughed over and injured regularly, thus stopping him from being the player he is now.

Hgh when injected acts like a steroid. its not natural of course and can help you to attain ￦27% increase in muscle mass density etc that you wouldnt be able to achieve naturally. This is what happened to messi.
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LOL you do really talk some rubbish, thought u was bad when talking about Utd but crikey you just talk it all the time...do yourself and everyone else a favour and stop posting about things you clearly know sweet FA about...and go stalk some Asda checkout girls lol
 
ahaha, i see what you did there.

Doctors predicted that he would be 4ft7 and obviously not as thick with muscle mass. Are you telling me that he wouldnt simply get reemed if he was smaller/slighter?

Ive seen him dribbling, he isnt a big diver, he can take some stick before he goes down. Without HGH this wouldnt be possible, imo.

You're free to disagree with that, but how about put a counter argument ?

Infact id go as far to say that its pretty much a given that HGH treatment has helped him to become the player he is today, the only question is how do you view the treatment ethically?
 
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The Running Man said:
ahaha, i see what you did there.

Doctors predicted that he would be 4ft7 and obviously not as thick with muscle mass. Are you telling me that he wouldnt simply get reemed if he was smaller/slighter?

Ive seen him dribbling, he isnt a big diver, he can take some stick before he goes down. Without HGH this wouldnt be possible, imo.

You're free to disagree with that, but how about put a counter argument ?

Infact id go as far to say that its pretty much a given that HGH treatment has helped him to become the player he is today, the only question is how do you view the treatment ethically?
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So you saying that because he recieved treatment for a medical condition in his youth, he can not play football because its unethicall?
 
No, you said that. I just pointed out that he would quite literally be 3/4 the player he is now in size/stature etc Of course this boost means he is better than he would otherwise have been.

And im not saying definitively that it is unethical or that it is ethical, because ethics are rooted in opinion.

My opinion is that it is unethical to use treatments like this, but i dont think its enough to say, ban him from the sport..but i still dont like it.
 
Meh, I don't think it's physically made him better than everyone else, it's just bought him up to a level playing field. His unrivalled skill makes him better than everyone else.
 
Dint he get special treatment also from fifa? as I believe there is an age restriction on Argentine players moving to Europe? (18?) Due to his medical bills?
 
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well from what i can see he was diagnosed with a condition and the doctors gave him medicine to make him normal? i dont really see that as cheating if u ar born with a condition.
 
Doesn't Fifa have a rule where you can bypass those rules if they are deemed an "Exceptional talent".

Anyway i dont believe he is genetically modified etc he is just the re incarnation of Jesus.
 
Bigpig said:
Dint he get special treatment also from fifa? as I believe there is an age restriction on Argentine players moving to Europe? (18?) Due to his medical bills?
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Yes, he needed treatment asap, and only Barca were willing to pay for it.
If he was to play football at older ages, he had no option but to move. And FIFA allowed it.
 
Adrianr said:
Meh, I don't think it's physically made him better than everyone else, it's just bought him up to a level playing field. His unrivalled skill makes him better than everyone else.
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I think this is the key point here. He's not physically stronger than anyone else, nor is he quicker than everyone else (though not far from it), he's now just at a normal level. He was given HGH to reach "normal" growth levels that he wouldn't otherwise be able to reach. I don't see that as cheating, I just see it as correcting nature's mistake.
 
AberystwythLAD said:
I know plenty of people who take HGH for performance enhancement. To say it can't means you have no clue whatsoever about it. It wouldn't have affected his skill, no, but his athletic being, definitely.
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you know plenty of idiots then, HGH is the worst thing to take for performance enhancement, steroids would be a lot better.

seriously you have no clue what your talking about.

giving someone HGH wont make them any better at anything, in fact it is also likely to impair him, because a lot of his internal organs will me larger then normal, causing problems such as HGH gut (intestines being much larger than needed for his frame). Enlarged heart (can happen with steroids too), which can cause all sorts of problems.

this information is coming from a bodybuilder who reads up on such things on a daily basis, as well as nutrition, etc.

HGH will have made Messi slightly taller, but he won't be any stronger unless he was doing weights on a regular basis, which if he was less than 16 years of age when he took them, he wouldn't be allowed to do so in any proper gym.

Messi is good because of his natural talent and he has been at the best youth programme in the world since he was in nappies. Just look at all the players who have came through the programme, even the not so many famous cases, such as Mikel Arteta was in the same programme as Messi, and it does show, because he does show signs of class at times. Then you have all the much more famous players, xavi, iniesta, pique, fabregas, etc, etc.

Barcelona made him what he is today, combined with his natural talent.

Britain needs to learn from them and make a similar setup here in the UK, where kids as young as 5 are taken away from peer pressure, chav's, other kid's and have football drummed into them, as well as education at a boarding school programme such as barcelona's. It's better than the toerag's getting drunk every weekend and causing trouble.
 
The Running Man said:
Okay. yes he might have had skill before i completely agree.

but then without drugs maybe instead of bouncing off people and running through them, he'd just get ploughed over and injured regularly, thus stopping him from being the player he is now.

Hgh when injected acts like a steroid. its not natural of course and can help you to attain ￦27% increase in muscle mass density etc that you wouldnt be able to achieve naturally. This is what happened to messi.
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lol, mate if it was that easy every bodybuilder on the planet would be taking them, it isn't though and any un natrual mass you obtain over wehat your body can naturally hold, goes away.

look at arnie now he has man boobs and very little muscle, messi is strong, so is tevez, so is evra, they are all small players, your an idiot if you think HGH made him stronger, especially since he stopped taking it many years ago and at the time of taking it he was not doing any weights.

small guys can be strong naturally, just look at mike tyson, he knocked out guys much bigger than him.
 
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