Is Microsoft about to make the biggest mistake ever with windows8?

Installed no idea what version w8 a few months ago on dual boot, Gotta agree.. Unless theres a desktop var appear, I'll be sticking with W7 as long as I stuck with XP (missed vista altogether)
 
It costs £20 to upgrade for a reason, that's how I see it.

I'm sticking with XP 2.0 (7 pro) for a very long time.
 
You know the real problem those videos highlight? The missing windows icon in the bottom corner.

Not functionality, I mean humans natural ability to correlate similar images. The windows key on the keyboard and screen perform the same operation in every version of windows, inducing 8 - but by removing it they've removed the natural (in some cases indoctrinated) association. I'm not saying change it back. I'm simply saying most people unfamiliar with things would quite quickly adapt once they realised all the familiar stuff was in the same place.

True, it's now in the top right and just as accessible (more so for the right handed) but without a visual cue it doesn't help anyone. More over the less tech savvy have a habit of staring at the screen then staring at the keyboard. Same positioning for what, 20 years?

The blogs make it abundantly clear they have a superb grasp of ui design, and from past versions of windows it's clear they have a grasp of the most basic human psychology. I's almost as if they've done such a good job of the technical ui design they've wrote off the most basic human element.

For the past 18 months the single problem that has topped all other is the removal of the windows icon is the principle complaint, they way all the reviews are still pushing. It's funny how big a problem a 10KB icon can cause. It's funnier still when you think that the addition of such a tiny piece of code could solve so many user issues, so why wouldn't you do it? :)
 
They are not going to release Windows 8 with Metro disabled so forget that idea.

You've obviously not read what I wrote in context. It was hypothetical in response to someone else, it's all there on page one. I've been saying Metro is here to stay since probably last year.
 
yes i agree, its a shame we will miss out on some of those features that are great, and the speed bump in boot/install

i would imagine "some" of the features would be ported to windows 7 either by 3rd party software, or from a Service pack, wouldn't they?
i mean like some of Windows Vista made it back to things like Windows ME at some point.
 
You know the real problem those videos highlight? The missing windows icon in the bottom corner.

Or, instead of being an ass and shouting "this is Windows 8! You're on your own!", he could have just said "press the Windows key or move your mouse into the corner". You know, like a normal human being.

He acts like nobody ever needed a hint with computers until Windows 8 came along. You can almost hear the axe grinding in then background.
 
Or, instead of being an ass and shouting "this is Windows 8! You're on your own!", he could have just said "press the Windows key or move your mouse into the corner". You know, like a normal human being.

He acts like nobody ever needed a hint with computers until Windows 8 came along. You can almost hear the axe grinding in then background.

The video came across as quite childish in my honest opinion. Aside from not being able to search for "printer" right from the start screen, which I admit is a bit daft, and all desktop apps appearing as one alt-tab entry, win8 is not as unintuitive as they claimed. Even these flaws will likely be patched out pretty rapid.

The sideways scrolling thing bugged me. "scrolling up and down makes you go side to side". When was the last time you bought a mouse with a sideways scroll wheel? Most screens are now wider than they are tall, its a little odd at first, but it does make better use of real estate.

The biggest complaints, are literary, "oh no its different". The exact opposite of the complaints about iOS and CoD games.
 
The video came across as quite childish in my honest opinion. Aside from not being able to search for "printer" right from the start screen, which I admit is a bit daft, and all desktop apps appearing as one alt-tab entry, win8 is not as unintuitive as they claimed. Even these flaws will likely be patched out pretty rapid.

The sideways scrolling thing bugged me. "scrolling up and down makes you go side to side". When was the last time you bought a mouse with a sideways scroll wheel? Most screens are now wider than they are tall, its a little odd at first, but it does make better use of real estate.

The biggest complaints, are literary, "oh no its different". The exact opposite of the complaints about iOS and CoD games.

The printer thing from the start screen is also ridiculous, as all the geniuses needed to do was search under settings and not apps.

The one thing that bugs me about sideways scrolling is that it isn't consistent among apps. Some implement it, some don't, and it's annoying. Moving horizontally with a vertical scroll wheel is fine once you get used to it. You could scroll horizontally with the old Apple mouse but nobody ever did because it hurt your fingers.
 
I wonder if we will see any mice manufacturers experiment with replacing the scroll wheel with a scroll ball.
Dunno, but I did try to use a optical mouse that didn't have a wheel, and it was quite infuriating , I guess its what you are used too. Personally I would like someone to run with the idea of the large apple touchpad, but it would be a mouse mat style "thingy"
 
The printer thing from the start screen is also ridiculous, as all the geniuses needed to do was search under settings and not apps.

The one thing that bugs me about sideways scrolling is that it isn't consistent among apps. Some implement it, some don't, and it's annoying. Moving horizontally with a vertical scroll wheel is fine once you get used to it. You could scroll horizontally with the old Apple mouse but nobody ever did because it hurt your fingers.

That's the same with any new design standard though. Developers, oddly, are often the ones most stuck in there ways. How long has it taken to get web developers to stop using <table> for layout?
 
Oh I agree, there are a lot of rage videos popping up, happened with w7 and vista too.

Still my point is valid. There are a lot of people who don't use the windows key (don't seem to realise it even exists in my experience) while a simple prompt of all your stuff at the push of one button would suffice. The reason it's such a big deal is the metro experience on a tablet is completely different from a pc. Moreover, you use both devices differently yet you are being forced to use your pc like your tablet. Poking the edge of a screen with your fingers is easy, dragging the edge of the screen not so much, or as intuitive.

At the same time metro is completely closed down meaning everything you get you get from ms, advertising, sales (very in your face, like the xbox these days), apps etc. forcing you to use a ms account, forcing you to receive their advertising (guaranteeing every pc user will see an add has to be worth a pretty penny). While it's true none of us are forced to use a pc, by nature of required software we have to. Ms are on course for a record fine from the EU with this :)

Someone summed the problem up quite well:

After reading Mr. Case's test drive experiences, it seems to me that I'll need to constantly fight through the experience Microsoft wants me to have to get to the computing experience I'm looking for.

It's a shame that is is ultimately the way many people receive w8, which is a shame as it's rather good underneath once you tweak things :p
 
It's a shame that is is ultimately the way many people receive w8, which is a shame as it's rather good underneath once you tweak things :p

So taking the tweaking and Metr .... ModernUI out of the equation. What does it do better underneath than Windows 7?
 
Oh I agree, there are a lot of rage videos popping up, happened with w7 and vista too.

Still my point is valid. There are a lot of people who don't use the windows key (don't seem to realise it even exists in my experience) while a simple prompt of all your stuff at the push of one button would suffice. The reason it's such a big deal is the metro experience on a tablet is completely different from a pc. Moreover, you use both devices differently yet you are being forced to use your pc like your tablet. Poking the edge of a screen with your fingers is easy, dragging the edge of the screen not so much, or as intuitive.

Yeah, I'm not really out to discredit what you say as such because I understand a lot of the concerns. With a lot of the Metro stuff there really isn't a right or wrong answer. I just like to offer an alternative (and hopefully rational) point of view and call out FUD.

There is still a "one stop shop" for all of your apps as I see it. You just get there slightly differently with a mouse and it's no longer a menu. I'm willing to bet average users won't really care as long as they can get to their email and open Word.

At the same time metro is completely closed down meaning everything you get you get from ms, advertising, sales (very in your face, like the xbox these days), apps etc. forcing you to use a ms account, forcing you to receive their advertising (guaranteeing every pc user will see an add has to be worth a pretty penny). While it's true none of us are forced to use a pc, by nature of required software we have to. Ms are on course for a record fine from the EU with this :)

"Closed down" is quite a broad term and is not universally a bad thing. But that's another discussion altogether.

It's also not really true that all roads lead back to Microsoft and Microsoft alone. Developers can use their own ad providers and with regards to "seeing ads" there are strict requirements that advertisements are NOT placed in live tile updates, notifications etc.

And you're not forced to use a Microsoft account either, unless you mean specifically to make purchases within the store. Even in that scenario, having a Microsoft account is inconsequential as you can sign up for one with a gmail, yahoo address etc. They need SOME way of authenticating you as a user and you're forgetting that Microsoft provide a lot of back-end services through that account.

And if you're not bothered about Metro apps or any of the cloud features you can opt out altogether by just creating a local user account as you would with any prior version of Windows.

The biggest EU cloud on the horizon in my opinion is how they've implemented Internet Explorer on Windows RT. That'll be interesting.

Someone summed the problem up quite well:

After reading Mr. Case's test drive experiences, it seems to me that I'll need to constantly fight through the experience Microsoft wants me to have to get to the computing experience I'm looking for.

It's a shame that is is ultimately the way many people receive w8, which is a shame as it's rather good underneath once you tweak things :p

Rather coincidentally, that quote actually sums up an entirely different problem for me. He/she is talking about somebody else's experience of Windows 8 and forming an opinion. Too many people are doing that.
 
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Indeed :) When that experience is the same one they've had for 10+ years however..

The lack of choice will ultimately be rectified, one way or another. It's the nature of the pc which is why it puzzles so.

So taking the tweaking and Metr .... ModernUI out of the equation. What does it do better underneath than Windows 7?

The MS blog is the best source, but this is a decent summary: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18381377
 
I've been trying Windows 8 out recently and it just seems to frustrate me so much. For Example:

When using the new way to "Start Search" Say I type in Device Manager it show "0 Apps" but then there is a match under the control panel/settings section. So why not just show me that b***dy section. Why bother to show me something when there is 0 found. Surely all that space they have Just have a header like:
0 Matches in Applications
---------------------------
10 Matches in Control Panel.
list here

Its just extra steps like that are pointless and make the Windows 7 Start Search far more efficient. If there are lots of matches though then separate them.

Another Annoyance is the Bing search "thing". Search for something click a link, it throws you into IE. Then there is no easy way back to the search results. You have to do the search again.

To me it seems the elements for a good OS are there they have just been poorly stitched together making it an awful User experience. I could name more faults like 2 versions of IE that wont sync together i.e. view something in Metro doesnt show in desktop IE. I would have rather had Metro or whatever they call it now as the Desktop background. That way PC users are always in the Desktop mode but can "peak" at the Metro Interface.
 
I am using Windows 8 on my work which I installed over the weekend. I am liking it a lot and the Start Screen really doesn't get in the way of user experience. The annoying thing is that installing applications causes there icons to appear on the default start screen meaning I have ot remove all the icons except for the ones I use. It would be great if this was the other way round by going to Apps and adding the icons you wnat to the start screen.

Also, it is very to load things like Desktop control panel, run, command prompt, etc. Just move your mouse to the bottom left hand corner where the start option appears and then right click. Simple but has been a very useful function for me.
 
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