Is Rooney worth £70million?

FrankJH · 15 Jan 2010 at 09:55

Davey_Pitch said:
He was relatively well paid at Everton, and absolutely adored by all the fans who saw him as one of their own. Didn't stop him moving on to Man Utd.

laughs at someone comparing the level Everton and Utd play at (and there isnt anywhere like much difference between Inter / AC/ RM /Barca and Man Utd)

a lot of Football fans in England dont know where Everton is - Whether they love them or hate them majority of football fans in the world know where Man Utd are

Im sorry if this comes across as arrogance, it really isnt meant that way - but it IS a realistic truth!!

The only reason to move is to test yourself in a different league - or to live in somewhere hotter (and I really dont see that many British players necessarily having a burning desire to play abroad at their peak)

Tummy · 15 Jan 2010 at 10:51

G|mp said:
To Man Utd he is priceless.

Davey_Pitch said:
Footballers are worth whatever teams are willing to pay for them, rightly or wrongly. That includes £80m for Ronaldo.

This.

I don't like the idea of spending 20/30 + million on a player, but if a club is willing (and daft enough) to pay that, so be it, that's what he's worth to that club.

Davey_Pitch · 15 Jan 2010 at 10:57

FrankJH said:
laughs at someone comparing the level Everton and Utd play at (and there isnt anywhere like much difference between Inter / AC/ RM /Barca and Man Utd)

At what point did you see me comparing the level the two teams are at? I wasn't, so you can keep your laughter to yourself. I was merely responding to the point that being well paid and loved by your fans doesn't mean a thing at times. If players want to move, they'll move, end of story.

FrankJH said:
a lot of Football fans in England dont know where Everton is - Whether they love them or hate them majority of football fans in the world know where Man Utd are

And if you really think football fans in England don't know where Everton is, you're really deluded, as well as arrogant.

manic111 · 15 Jan 2010 at 11:12

pinki104 said:
No footballer should be over 5m

What makes you say that?

The reason that good salesmen get paid so well is that they bring in considerably more than they are paid into the business. The reason that bankers get such fat bonuses is the same. Footballers are the primary driver of business for a football club, and therefore if a club can get a return on spending £70m for Rooney or £80m for Ronaldo, then fair play to them.

It's the same reason they get paid so much; they bring business worth far more money than they are paid to the club which they are at.

liquidchild76 · 15 Jan 2010 at 12:12

No footballer is worth £70 million.

The money being thrown around at the moment is bleedin' ridiculous.

Crixus00 · 15 Jan 2010 at 12:15

liquidchild76 said:
No footballer is worth £70 million.

The money being thrown around at the moment is bleedin' ridiculous.

Well, the £80million odd real Madread paid for Ronaldo will probably be re-cooped and some with sponsership deals and advertising the player would have no doubt been made sign up to.

So, yeah, players can be worth that much.

Crixus00 · 15 Jan 2010 at 12:18

As a striker, with his back to Goal, Rooney really is found wanting. He seems to lose his touch, decision making - and his flicks become aweful and misguided. When he's facing the goal he's a completely different (awesome infact) player.

With the above in mind, and guessing he is not as attractive to sponsers compared to the likes of Beckham & Ronaldo in terms of image, i don't think he's worth £70m

Gilly · 15 Jan 2010 at 12:18

liquidchild76 said:
No footballer is worth £70 million.

The money being thrown around at the moment is bleedin' ridiculous.

I disagree. If the player wins you things, sells you millions of pounds worth of merchandise and raises the value and standing of the club, there isn't really a limit on player worth.

FrankJH said:
laughs at someone comparing the level Everton and Utd play at (and there isnt anywhere like much difference between Inter / AC/ RM /Barca and Man Utd)

a lot of Football fans in England dont know where Everton is - Whether they love them or hate them majority of football fans in the world know where Man Utd are

Im sorry if this comes across as arrogance, it really isnt meant that way - but it IS a realistic truth!!

The only reason to move is to test yourself in a different league - or to live in somewhere hotter (and I really dont see that many British players necessarily having a burning desire to play abroad at their peak)

This may well be the worst post I've ever read in the SA.

Well done

No surprise it came from a manc.

drunkenmaster · 15 Jan 2010 at 13:31

I do like how he's saying most football fans in the world know where Utd are from, yes most people can guess where MANCHESTER UTD are from. Much like most people, football fans or not can guess where abouts Barcelona FC come from, or Real MADRID, or LYON.

Infact, when the name of the city is in the team name, its pretty god damned hard for anyone to NOT know where they are from. Maybe the most idiotic statement I've ever seen, look how great we are, everyone knows where our team is from because we're so great, nothing to do with the City and team being the same name......... no.

Go out in the street right now, ask the first 50 people you see if they can tell you where Aston Villa are based, and then ask them if they can tell you where Birmingham are based, more people will be able to tell you where Birmingham are from, and give you an odd look when you ask them. Then realise why people knowing where Man U are from is not quite an indicator of how good a club you are.

Its pretty simple, Ronaldo IS worth 80million. People don't spend 80mill without thinking, they will have carefully gone through the deal, decided how much he's worth to the marketing value of the club, how much he's worth to the success of the club and put together a number that is enough to prise him away and make a long term profit. Being that he's still fairly young they could always sell him in 5 years to Inter for 60million, after making 10mil a year in marketing and winning the CL 3 times totalling 75million in winnings aswell as another 50-100mil in ticket sales and other stage winnings over 5 campaigns.

Fact is players can be worth that much, but the thread was is Rooney worth that much, and the pretty simple answer is no, he's not actually a good enough footballer to be worth a similar amount, nor is he worth anything close to the amount the other guys mentioned are worth in marketing. If Ronaldo was worth say 50mil as a player and 30mil as marketing, Rooney would be 25mil as a player, and 10mil marketing.

AS we've seen Ronaldo on a bad day could still whack in 2 goals out of nothing and get a couple assists, Rooney on a bad day generally doesn't do anything.

jakeke · 15 Jan 2010 at 13:44

Gilly said:
This may well be the worst post I've ever read in the SA.

Well done

No surprise it came from a manc.

Have to say, that was one of the stranger posts I've read here, especially when his whole post hinges on Everton being rubbish, yet they've been by far the best team outside of the Top 4 over the last 5 years

Weebull · 15 Jan 2010 at 14:31

FrankJH said:
a lot of Football fans in England dont know where Everton is - Whether they love them or hate them majority of football fans in the world know where Man Utd are

Piling in on this incredibly retarded statement. Pretty sure even Jeff Lynne would admit he knows where Everton are from.

Gilly · 15 Jan 2010 at 14:48

I bet most people wouldn't know that manchester united currently ply their trade in a different City (well, manyoo are in a borough and Man City are in a city) to Manchester City

Long and short of it is, manyoo don't currently play in Manchester. Just adds to the stupidity of that statement.

[edit]In fact, I have just asked a complete non-footballing person (in his own words) if he had heard of Everton and knew where they play. The answer to the first was yes, the answer to the second was Liverpool.

drunkenmaster · 15 Jan 2010 at 15:47

Gilly said:
I bet most people wouldn't know that manchester united currently ply their trade in a different City (well, manyoo are in a borough and Man City are in a city) to Manchester City

Long and short of it is, manyoo don't currently play in Manchester. Just adds to the stupidity of that statement.

[edit]In fact, I have just asked a complete non-footballing person (in his own words) if he had heard of Everton and knew where they play. The answer to the first was yes, the answer to the second was Liverpool.

OKay I'll be fair, Utd aren't officially in Manchester(I assume, are they classed as not in the city but in a borough of Manchester? or another place entirely just ruddy close?) but its close enough for an acceptable answer to where they are in the world. But personally I don't think the exact and precise location of Manchester makes his statement any more or less retarded, either way it was right at that far end of the retarded scale so it doesn't make a difference.

Did anyone mention(as I couldn't be bothered reading the previous page) the story doing the rounds that Rooney wants a huge pay rise and Utd could decide to cash in on him should they not want to fork out that much in wages?

I can't see it personally, yes if they could get 70mil for him maybe though they won't, but then he'd have to choose to live in Spain, which he might happily do but I can't really see it. I think if they give him a decent raise and probably make him the best paid there he'll sign for whatever they offer.

Although if he is asking for 150k a week, and Real would offer that, its a huge pay rise due to the tax rates in spain, he'd end up with what, 115k a week in Spain, and more like 75k a week in the uk after taxes. Personally when you're talking about 75k a week I'd live wherever I really wanted, 75k is insane money anyway why move somewhere you don't want to be for money you won't likely ever spend.

Gilly · 15 Jan 2010 at 15:54

manyoo play in the borough of Trafford, which is a Metropolitan borough of Greater Manchester. The City of Manchester is a different Metropolitan borough of Greater Manchester.

Mad old tory · 16 Jan 2010 at 10:29

drunkenmaster said:
Although if he is asking for 150k a week, and Real would offer that, its a huge pay rise due to the tax rates in spain, he'd end up with what, 115k a week in Spain, and more like 75k a week in the uk after taxes. Personally when you're talking about 75k a week I'd live wherever I really wanted, 75k is insane money anyway why move somewhere you don't want to be for money you won't likely ever spend.

Errm Spanish top rate is higher than British and will only be 7% lower come April 6th (when the stupid 50% rate comes in) so your comparison is wrong.

Also, why would Real pay Rooney more than Kaka and Ronaldo?

JamesU2005 · 16 Jan 2010 at 11:13

He won't leave, it's just silly paper talk, something to fill in the pages after all this stuff about Benitez/Liverpool.

Miguél · 16 Jan 2010 at 11:41

It depends who was paying for him. If Real Madrid were in for him he would be worth 70m easy. Same with Man City.

I don't believe he will leave, definitely not for the next 2 or 3 years - Never know what can happen in a few years

drunkenmaster · 16 Jan 2010 at 11:43

Mad old tory said:
Errm Spanish top rate is higher than British and will only be 7% lower come April 6th (when the stupid 50% rate comes in) so your comparison is wrong.

Also, why would Real pay Rooney more than Kaka and Ronaldo?

I believe theres some kind of loophole where its pretty easy to pay a 25% tax rate there, hence everyone and his brother talking about wages being substantially higher in La Liga than here and being talked about as one of the major reasons a lot of players were willing to jump over to the spanish league when given the chance.

Ronaldo is on more than £150k a week afaik, and on a very large % raise each year. Kaka is most likely on more too, however if Real Madrid were too offer 70million in this hypothetical scenario, why wouldn't they offer to match his wages to Kaka, who they obviously valued at less than 70million?

muon · 16 Jan 2010 at 13:19

Yeh, footballers in Spain use a loophole and get a very low tax rate.

For example, when Robinho came to Man City, he ended up earning far less than he thought he would.

semi-pro waster · 16 Jan 2010 at 13:42

FrankJH said:
a lot of Football fans in England dont know where Everton is

If your contention was that lot of football fans in the World don't know which city Everton come from then it might be better but I'd be very surprised if too many fans of English football didn't know where Everton come from.

As for the original topic: I suspect Rooney is worth more to Man Utd than most other teams would be willing to pay for him. Whether that figure is £70m or not I wouldn't be certain but I can't imagine Man Utd would be keen to sell him for any sum much less than that and nor do I believe they're in a position where they would have to. The position on selling him might well change if he were ever silly enough to challenge Ferguson's authority but for all the comments on his lack of intelligence I think he is smart enough to know that is not a wise move.