Is there any point in 22 this time of the year?

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Let's face it, buying a monitor at this time of the year is probably the worst thing anyone could do.

Let's take the 22 inch market. The only 22" people would consider a few months ago would have been the 226BW equipped with superior samsung S panels. Now that they're no longer in existence, what would be the point in buying it if you know you are getting an inferior product. This puts the current samsung on par with every other 22" out there, since there are no non-TN panels. The only possible monitor that you may consider is the Samsung 226CW, but at £280-300 pounds, you're approaching 24" territory...

Which brings us to the 24 inch market. Would anyone consider the 245B knowing that it's only £50-70 less than the equivalent non-TN display? It can't even do 1:1 mapping so xbox360 dual users are out of the question. The only option on xbox is 1280x768 16:10, but that would negate the bonus of owning a 1920x1200 monitor (does the 245B even support this res?). This brings us nicely to the Dell, non-TN, wide gamut, 1:1 mapping... but at £200 the premium of a 22 inch... is it really worth it? Especially knowing that when you buy this monitor now, but christmas, it will be £100 less.

So you're stuck with:
22" TN @ £230
22" TN Wide Gamut @ £280
24" TN @ £350
24" non-TN Wide Gamut @ £440 (£210 for 2inches more)

Bearing in mind that 22" will be redundant in 6 months and 24" prices are sure to fall by £100...bringing us to a poor state of affairs.

p.s. enough of the deep-pocketed Dell fanboys who protest that spending double the money on a monitor that is 9% longer diagonal with slightly better viewing angles (TN panels are matching PVA tech in viewing angles, except from the bottom... but who uses a monitor that is placed taller than them? Babies?), knowing that their investment will drop significantly in price once the 24inch market price crashes.


So....What is one to do?
 
iamwhoiam said:
The only 22" people would consider a few months ago would have been the 226BW equipped with superior samsung S panels. Now that they're no longer in existence, what would be the point in buying it if you know you are getting an inferior product.[/B]
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no longer in existence? i thought samsung now shipped all 226BW with S panels?
 
22" Iiyama CRT VM Pro 513 Diamondtron, 2 x 15pin D-sub, 0.25dp, 140 watts power consumption 1920 x 1440 £340

19" viewsonic G90FB black 19 inch Perfectflat CRT Monitor 0.25mm 70 watts power consumption £138 delivered

Dell 20" 2007wfp S-IPS panel £250
 
I'm not sure I agree with some of the comments made tbh, some of it makes sense, but other bit's i would not go along with...

iamwhoiam said:
Let's face it, buying a monitor at this time of the year is probably the worst thing anyone could do.
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i dont see why it's any different from any other time of year. prices all come down, models are always updated. you either take the plunge now and enjoy the screen for a bit longer, or wait for the "next greatest thing". There isn't anything staggering on the horizon which would make me want to hold off (or recommend others to do so).

Let's take the 22 inch market. The only 22" people would consider a few months ago would have been the 226BW equipped with superior samsung S panels. Now that they're no longer in existence, what would be the point in buying it if you know you are getting an inferior product.
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There's WAY too much talk on the internet about the Samsung panel lottery, and far too much of it is people jumping on the bandwagon and believing the hype. If you read some pretty decent reviews at X-bit labs (A very reliable and in depth source) and at BeHardware, you will see there's not as much difference as people want to believe. I've heard nothing about the SM226BW being discontinued for now, and in fact Samsung claimed to only be supplying this with Samsung TN Film panels from now on, since they now have the stock of the monitor panel modules to match demand of the display.

This puts the current samsung on par with every other 22" out there, since there are no non-TN panels. The only possible monitor that you may consider is the Samsung 226CW, but at £280-300 pounds, you're approaching 24" territory...
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Agreed here. With 24" TN Film now becoming more common, the increase in size, and more noteably resolution, would be well worth considering.

Which brings us to the 24 inch market. Would anyone consider the 245B knowing that it's only £50-70 less than the equivalent non-TN display?
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I dont see why not. Clearly there's a market for TN Film panels, and to some people that saving over models like the Dell is a good one. If you don't need to have 1:1 pixel mapping and don't need the differences that S-PVA will offer you over TN Film, then the SM245B is more than adequate. In fact, it's a very good TN Film panel tbh.

It can't even do 1:1 mapping so xbox360 dual users are out of the question. The only option on xbox is 1280x768 16:10, but that would negate the bonus of owning a 1920x1200 monitor (does the 245B even support this res?).
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Of course, 1920 x 1200 is native res of the screen :)

This brings us nicely to the Dell, non-TN, wide gamut, 1:1 mapping... but at £200 the premium of a 22 inch... is it really worth it? Especially knowing that when you buy this monitor now, but christmas, it will be £100 less.
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the price of the Dell screens fluctuates SO much, there's no guarantee it will be any cheaper at Christmas. The extra resolution, screen size, S-PVA advantages, colour gamut range, interface options and ergonomics set it apart from a 22" model I would say. Definitely a significant difference getting a model like the 2407WFP-HC

Bearing in mind that 22" will be redundant in 6 months and 24" prices are sure to fall by £100...bringing us to a poor state of affairs.
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I dont agree with that. Manufacturers are investing a lot in 22" models at the moment and these will probably be the smallest choice people go for in 6 months time, replacing the 19" and 20" models which are currently the purchase of the average user i would say. Sure, 24" TN Film models will drive the price of that sector down, but 22" models will still be around in 6 months i think.

p.s. enough of the deep-pocketed Dell fanboys who protest that spending double the money on a monitor that is 9% longer diagonal with slightly better viewing angles (TN panels are matching PVA tech in viewing angles, except from the bottom... but who uses a monitor that is placed taller than them? Babies?), knowing that their investment will drop significantly in price once the 24inch market price crashes.
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TN Film viewing angles are not really matching VA viewing angles, even on the latest gen of TN Film. Horizontal viewing angles are greatly improved, but there is still more of a noticeable contrast and colour shift than on VA panels as you move sideways. Vertical viewing angles are still a big issue, it's not just about viewing from extreme angles below though. Even slight movements up and down can produce annoying contrast and colour shifts on TN Film, even on the latest gen of panels.


anyway, just my thoughts :)
 
C64 said:
22" Iiyama CRT VM Pro 513 Diamondtron, 2 x 15pin D-sub, 0.25dp, 140 watts power consumption 1920 x 1440 £340

19" viewsonic G90FB black 19 inch Perfectflat CRT Monitor 0.25mm 70 watts power consumption £138 delivered

Dell 20" 2007wfp S-IPS panel £250
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yet again he is asking about TFT, so why do you keep on posting CRT specs?
 
Is there any point in 22 this time of the year?

I dont see tft mentioned in the topic whats wrong with recommending a crt until led lcd is affordable anyway?.I wish people would stop being so crypto facist about tft's.
 
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i cant agree. enthusiasts wouldnt be happy with the poor viewing angles and colour reproduction. i know im not, my 22" dell e228 is a dire monitor.

c64 do you even know what crypto-fascism is, or did you hear it on red dwarf and thought you'd use it to be cool? i dont know political ideologies have to do with tft monitors.....
 
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24inch is the way to go, 3 months ago when I ordered my beast of a pc I splashed out on the sammy S panel 22incher, only cos 24inch was like £550+ and almost 2x the cost of 22inchers.

Now the Acer 24inch panels are coming in at 250 quid, and were seeing 22inch TFTs for £150 even !

I think the Dell 24inch around £400-450 is the way to go and will be my next option ;)
 
C64 said:
Is there any point in 22 this time of the year?

I dont see tft mentioned in the topic whats wrong with recommending a crt until led lcd is affordable anyway?.I wish people would stop being so crypto facist about tft's.
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LOL do yourself a favour and look words up before you use them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-fascism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

has absolutely no place in the sentance above.

"i wish people would stop being so elitest about tfts"

"i wish people would stop being so prejudice against CRTs"

"i wish people would stop being so snobby about tfts"

all make much more sense. Facism has absolutely nothing to do with thinking TFTs are better than CRTs.
 
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Of course, 1920 x 1200 is native res of the screen :)
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I mean the 16:10 1280x768 xbox resolution, 245B support this?

Thanks for the input baddass, you are of course the TFT guru... but weighing up the money issues, it just doesn't seem fit to buy a 22 or a 24 at this point. Then again, it would be the same issue with 20/22 about a year ago. I know there's the whole "might as well jump in when you can" thing, but just seems investing in 22/24 market seems a bit of a gamble
 
MrLOL said:
LOL do yourself a favour and look words up before you use them

Facism has absolutely nothing to do with thinking TFTs are better than CRTs.
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And C64's post had absolutely nothing to do with "thinking TFTs are better than CRTs" either. Congrat's, you entirely missed his point. Someone picked up on C64 suggesting a CRT when the OP had never specified TFT. In this instance I'd say fascism, though perhaps inappropriate, was a reasonably relevant description of teaboy5's behaviour.
 
Also consider the Samsung 215TW

This is a beaut of a 21" screen with a S-PVA samsung panel (no panel lottery)

IMO you won't miss the 1" compared to the 22" TN film panels and I would much rather have the better quality screen.

And can be had for a bargain £170 on the net at the moment.
 
Greebo said:
Also consider the Samsung 215TW

This is a beaut of a 21" screen with a S-PVA samsung panel (no panel lottery)

IMO you won't miss the 1" compared to the 22" TN film panels and I would much rather have the better quality screen.

And can be had for a bargain £170 on the net at the moment.
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I must have read that about 50 times now. What's wrong with you?:confused:
 
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