Is there any point in buying a 4K TV?

[Psycho Sonny]

I just made the decision to go for a LCD 4K set (Samsung 65 JS9000).

I wasn't upgrading for the 4K per se, more so the size but figured may as well go 4K whilst i'm at it.

The other option was the LG 65 4K OLED set, but the difference between the one I bought (2.5K) and the LG (3.7K) was noway near worth £1200.

I would beg to differ. OLED is reference quality. LCD can be if you get a premium panel like yours and calibrate it which will cost an additional £300 but then it makes going for the OLED even more viable as your spending more on that tv so the jump in price is less.

Look at the mobiles section of the forums those with amoled screens cannot go back and use lcd smartphones, etc because the difference is huge and noticeable and they are too used to the superior screen.

4K will come into it's own soon enough, but I wouldn't sacrifice overall image quality for it. It is a nice addition tho. 4K content will become more and more common and it does blow 1080p away.

It wont be soon and it doesnt blow 1080p away. A 1080p blu ray still offers better pq than a 4k stream which is the only readily available content and will be for a long time.

My Samsung 4k (ju6800 series) has an awesome picture. I would say if you do go 4k, do not compromise on picture quality.

You bought a 6 series samsung which is the lowest series they make. You most likely have compromised on picture quality.

It will most likely be average or average to mid range at best.

The guy above however bought a 9 series which is their top end models. With obviously 7 and 8 series inbetween. His only compromise is that he didnt go oled which is the superior technology. His panel will be far superior than any used in a 6 series samsung.

 

[deuse]

So you think they are making 4k blu ray players for the fun of it ? Of course 4k will take off..... unlike 3d

Can't wait till the UHD players come out. I use my TV for playing games @4K and the rest using UHD.

"Hollywood Executives See Bright Future For 4K UHD"

http://hdguru.com/hollywood-executives-see-bright-future-for-4k-uhd/

 

[wolfie138]

So you think they are making 4k blu ray players for the fun of it ? Of course 4k will take off..... unlike 3d

so how have i got a load of 3D discs but no 4K films?

 

[Mustey]

I don't know where you guys see those FHD TVs. All I see under 4k is 2014 models with obviously antiquated technology.

Can I please be shown a few FHD models in the 700-1000 that are actually worth the money?

 

[wellibob]

4K is useless without lots of content, and I mean lots. I'm happy to wait a few years and see technology move ahead (especially oled) and then see about 4k. These 4k tv's are all just cranking out sets so you think 4k is a must (profits) and you need to upgrade. Be wise and think about it.

 

[SC0TTRS]

Can't compare 3D and 4k, their two different things.

Again, not enough content for 4k at the moment, but one day.

Still waiting on a full list of HD channels on terrestrial TV, still have to watch SD at 520i....

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I don't know where you guys see those FHD TVs. All I see under 4k is 2014 models with obviously antiquated technology.

Can I please be shown a few FHD models in the 700-1000 that are actually worth the money?

2014 models have antiquated technology? LMAO

What leaps have been made in the 2015 models that makes them antiquated?

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl55w805c-201508034145.htm

There is one tv you seemingly cannot see. I found it within 20 seconds of seeing your post. So I'm sure I could find several more too.

 

[McBain]

I would beg to differ. OLED is reference quality. LCD can be if you get a premium panel like yours and calibrate it which will cost an additional £300 but then it makes going for the OLED even more viable as your spending more on that tv so the jump in price is less.

I've set it up using various settings out there from AVforums and the likes, to my eye it looks fantastic and cost me nothing. Side by side in store there wasn't a whole lot in it, sure the OLED without a doubt gave the superior experience but as I said, wasn't worth £1200 to me.

 

[Richdog]

REALLY... THIS THREAD AGAIN? The mods should ust create one "All about 4k TV's" thread, because the amount of "Is 4k worth it" threads is becoming increasingly tedious, and there are already pages of good in-depth discussion about it.

 

[Mal X]

i went to look at TVs last week and was told:-

``i'd rather not sell you an LG OLED, nothing but trouble, we get more problems from the LG OLED than another other, the return rates are huge.......LG doesn't have the Tech to drive the panel. Buy either a Sony or the SUHD``

the Sony and the SUHD looked as good as the LG anyway, he then said dont buy now wait till the 2016 models are out...

both the Sony 1080p and the 4k are easily good enough, but the latest backlight tech will be going into the 4k only, so it just depends if this bothers you.........or you'd prefer their really good 1080p only.

the best 2016 Sammy SUHD is still going to be a curved screen so that's no good for me.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

i went to look at TVs last week and was told:-

``i'd rather not sell you an LG OLED, nothing but trouble, we get more problems from the LG OLED than another other, the return rates are huge.......LG doesn't have the Tech to drive the panel. Buy either a Sony or the SUHD``

the Sony and the SUHD looked as good as the LG anyway, he then said dont buy now wait till the 2016 models are out...

both the Sony 1080p and the 4k are easily good enough, but the latest backlight tech will be going into the 4k only, so it just depends if this bothers you.........or you'd prefer their really good 1080p only.

the best 2016 Sammy SUHD is still going to be a curved screen so that's no good for me.

if you think a tv salesman in currys knows more about tv's than well respected review sites then sure lap up everything they say.

all they are is random people off the street desperate for a job and they are told which products to push onto people (those with the highest profit margins).

the truth is there is little profit on OLED models because it's a new and much more expensive technology. in fact i bet they make little to no money on them.

 

[theone8181]

I think the 2014 antiquated bit was due to some tvs not supporting hdmi 2.2.

 

[bemaniac]

I used to work in one of those places. I would say anything to sell a Sony because there was a promotion taped in the staff room where you get a few quid for every one. The Panasonics were a ton better at the time but margin was about 10% compared to 22% or so on the Sony. Id be like 'Yeah you need this Trinitron tech because it's just better' I don't even know what Trinitron is to this day lol.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I think the 2014 antiquated bit was due to some tvs not supporting hdmi 2.2.

nope - as he's talking about 1080p tv's not 4k ones.

so no need for hdmi 2.0 or hdcp 2.2.

you cannot really say any tv made within the past 5 years has antiquated technology when discussing 1080p tv's. so what if their smart tv's aren't current you can buy a stick for £20 which does it all better anyway or if you really want a box for £60 which can do pretty much everything and then some.

even the kuro which is 10 years old now i still wouldn't call antiquated technology. pointless buying one now however but it's still not antiquated it will handle any and every 1080p signal you throw at it and all 4k boxes will downscale to 1080p anyway.


tv's don't tend to change much in terms of technology unless a new resolution comes around like it has now. most premium panels will easily last 10+ years if the owner doesn't care much for fads.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I used to work in one of those places. I would say anything to sell a Sony because there was a promotion taped in the staff room where you get a few quid for every one. The Panasonics were a ton better at the time but margin was about 10% compared to 22% or so on the Sony. Id be like 'Yeah you need this Trinitron tech because it's just better' I don't even know what Trinitron is to this day lol.

thanks for confirming the above.

i understand these stores need to make a profit and the people working in them are there to look out after number one.

it's why i never even stepped into a store for the last 3 tv's i bought. i never even seen them in the flesh until they were delivered.

which is why it was only the other day i walked past one and decided to stop and look at the OLED on display in the shop window. i was amazed but i already knew OLED was going to blow me away because it's pretty much the new plasma.

 

[XeNoNF50]

You bought a 6 series samsung which is the lowest series they make. You most likely have compromised on picture quality.

It will most likely be average or average to mid range at best.

The guy above however bought a 9 series which is their top end models. With obviously 7 and 8 series inbetween. His only compromise is that he didnt go oled which is the superior technology. His panel will be far superior than any used in a 6 series samsung.

I am aware of what range I bought I am admittedly your average consumer. I found that the 6800s are the lowest which features nano crystal/quantum dot tech that goes into the SUHD range which made it look superb and quite vibrant and the picture felt perfect for the price range. I was looking to getting the 8500 originally but just felt the colours on the SUHD 8/9 series looked genuinely too saturated and unrealistic to my eyes.

 

[Mal X]

if you think a tv salesman in currys knows more about tv's than well respected review sites then sure lap up everything they say.

all they are is random people off the street desperate for a job and they are told which products to push onto people (those with the highest profit margins).

the truth is there is little profit on OLED models because it's a new and much more expensive technology. in fact i bet they make little to no money on them.

this wasn't Currys, he's been selling tvs for years and i agree with him, PQ on the LG is no better than the other two tvs, it just has purer blacks, which is not the be all and end all because the problem with the LG is it has poor processing. If you're after an OLED only get the Panasonic.... the OLED is of course a superior technology, but not from LG !!!!! ...........LG is the weak link here, not OLED.

the best TV i saw on 4K by quite a long was was the SUHD, then the Sony, which is very close in PQ to the Panasonic.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ces-2016-five-best-tvs-buy-2016-samsung-sony-lg-panasonic-1536683
I'm after the new Sony, either 65'' or 75'', but we'll wait and see what the reviews are like first

 

[Warbie]

It wont be soon and it doesnt blow 1080p away. A 1080p blu ray still offers better pq than a 4k stream which is the only readily available content and will be for a long time.

We'll see. I suspect decent 4K content will be readily available sooner than you think. There's around 10 movies or so coming out this March. How many titles do you think will be around this time next year, or the year after? And decent 4k content does blow 1080p away - I just wouldn't choose it over much improved contrast or motion. If I was buying a high end display right now - something to last more than a year - it would have a native 4k panel for sure.

Regardless, we should all be in favour of and supporting higher resolutions. 3D has always been a gimmick, but it's crazy high resolutions that will give us real, believable 3D. A window into the movie

 

[Psycho Sonny]

We'll see. I suspect decent 4K content will be readily available sooner than you think. There's around 10 movies or so coming out this March. How many titles do you think will be around this time next year, or the year after? And decent 4k content does blow 1080p away - I just wouldn't choose it over much improved contrast or motion. If I was buying a high end display right now - something to last more than a year - it would have a native 4k panel for sure.

Regardless, we should all be in favour of and supporting higher resolutions. 3D has always been a gimmick, but it's crazy high resolutions that will give us real, believable 3D. A window into the movie

those movies will cost a fortune as will the player.


readily available to me means that 50% or more of the UK population will have it in abundance in their homes.

the fact is 50% or more of the population doesn't even watch 1080p content that much.

also i believe that 4k physical media will flop hugely. it will be a niche market for enthusiasts only. the majority will get their 4k fix from netflix.

i don't believe 4k sky channels will take off either. why? people already hate paying for HD never mind adding an additional premium on top for 1 or 2 channels.

less and less people are buying physical media or satelite/cable installs and opting for freeview and netflix.

i'll be buying another tv within the next year and it will be a 1080p lcd. i'll wait for a 4K OLED to drop to £1K before buying as I'm sure I'm not going to miss out on anything.

also 4k content can be downscaled to 1080p. so I won't be missing out on much either.

 

[Warbie]

those movies will cost a fortune as will the player.


readily available to me means that 50% or more of the UK population will have it in abundance in their homes.

the fact is 50% or more of the population doesn't even watch 1080p content that much.

also i believe that 4k physical media will flop hugely. it will be a niche market for enthusiasts only. the majority will get their 4k fix from netflix.

i don't believe 4k sky channels will take off either. why? people already hate paying for HD never mind adding an additional premium on top for 1 or 2 channels.

less and less people are buying physical media or satelite/cable installs and opting for freeview and netflix.

i'll be buying another tv within the next year and it will be a 1080p lcd. i'll wait for a 4K OLED to drop to £1K before buying as I'm sure I'm not going to miss out on anything.

also 4k content can be downscaled to 1080p. so I won't be missing out on much either.

My first hddvd and Blu-ray players cost a fair amount and there was sod all content for a while. Didn't last long tho. Now Blu-ray players are cheap as chips and there's all the content you could want. I suspect the same this time round. And few of us here are in the 50% you mention and I couldn't give a monkeys what's available on general tv as it makes for around 5% of my viewing. Classic and new movies will be arriving in 4k, as will popular tv shows. Content will be there to buy on disk and available to download. As always, things will be driven by enthusiasts - but there's quite a lot of us spread over the world. I will be watching 4k (or above) content on the biggest screen I can afford and it will slay 1080p - which tbh already looks like dvd once you start going large. That's the other thing worth looking forward too - monster size panels and pjs dropping in price.