Is this what life in the UK is about?

It is all about greed. I am probably guilty too, I work, get paid and spend most of my money on material things very selfishly. But, as I see it, this will be the only chance I will get to act like this, because I may end up meeting a girl who I want to settle down with and have children with, mortgage, etc. You need money for these things....these are the (supposed) joys of life!!

At the end of the day, an honest living earning less money is so much more satisfying that a fraudulent living earning big bucks.
 
panthro said:
At the end of the day, an honest living earning less money is so much more satisfying that a fraudulent living earning big bucks.
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Depends how fraudulent. and what u mean by fraudulent.
 
It simply boils down to these points;

  • Living a normal life, and being happy with it.
  • Living a stressful life and having more material goods, and power.
  • Craving the power, loving it and wanting more. Enjoying it.

Basically, their are different things in life that satisfy different people. To me, living a normal life forever is definitely not on the agenda. I hate it already and I'm only 21.

What seems to drive me, is the idea of acheiving and gaining more and more. You can't say what works for one person, will work for another.

You just have to be happy with whatever makes you happy, not anyone else.

Phil.
 
The tale of the fisherman is a good one.

You can work hard all your life and if your lucky you will get rich, stop working and enjoy what is left of your life.

You could also reduce your working hours - go part time, move into a job you enjoy rather than one which pays well, and enjoy life right now.

I think debt prevents a lot of people doing just that, an evil creation and one thing the muslims got right and is still valid today as it was centuries ago. God knows how they got it past the powerful people of the day.
 
Its all about where your values lie. Some people enjoy things are the honest ones are usually willing to work for those things. Some people dont care about things and enjoy sitting at home and watching TV or having as much free time as possible. You have the shoose the life that best suits you. Dont get a full time job where you can be called in at odd hours if you want to have as much free times as possible.

Of course each choice we make in life has its ups and downs. You cant have a lot of free time and a lot of expensive things unleess your fithy rich in whcih case you are spoiled and shouldnt be compaining :)
 
My girlfriend is a great example of current UK life.

She's finished two whole years at college studying travel and tourism full time. She strougled with most work but she was very committed. Shes smart, but her dyslexia lets her down and she finds the basics difficult.

She passed her course with flying colours and started applying for jobs. She got one response from Thompsons. They took her on with a modern apprenteship paying her £80 a week. Shes already covered the work she does pretty much, she works full time and she doesthe same things as the staff paid a full age.

It's a joke. She has to manage on that for 2 years? It's either follow her ideal career and be poor, or work in a supermarket and get a chance to feel good about yourself. When I worked part time at Sainsburys, most the other staff were either older people who needed something to do, or young people who've worked there for years, with IT degrees etc but no jobs to use them with, or no jobs that pay the same as a Supermarket.

Luckily we have each other. I earn an average wage and I am willing to support her dreams and shes willing to support mine. I wouldn't know how she'd cope on her own on that money.

Without any luxuaries apart from a car, which is more important than any GCSE in relation to where I live, we could just scrape by renting a flat together with a £19k pa income. I keep thinking it's not worth it and we wouldn't be happy. But thats becasue I'll miss my PC upgrades and my useless gadgets. In reality, when we move in together we will probably forget about the wants and enjoy life properly. We'll go for walks and random days out etc, sometimes you just forget you can enjoy life away from a computer and a TV.
 
Interesting thread this, i agree with the op although, third world country life is really not very pleasant and this country has got a great deal going for it.
The thing is the pressure, material thing stuff is essentially a game and its very difficult not to get sucked in, anyone below the age of 35 tends to be naturally sucked in and fair enough, you need to acheive as much as poss in early life to set yourself up, as they say dont wait for the starting gun, get running.

However if you're not up to it, it can be very bad, many, many people in this country end up completely destroyed by the time they get to middle age, mostly because they didnt understand the debt they were getting into and that sooner or later it has to be paid back.

Anyway I wish all young people the best of luck, it is a very very competitive and difficult world to live in, particularly if you are of average ability.

I am mid forties, with 2 kids and i am seriously thinking about supporting my kids when they start working, i dont want them to feel the pressure i had.

My favourite song at the moment, Billy Joel - We didnt start the fire, it just says it for me. :(
 
I don't know if this helps, but here goes:
Many years ago, my darling OH and I set up a business together. we travelled the country as the business grew, with a nanny to look after the 3 kids. We had great holidays,flash cars and all the trappings of a luxury lifestyle. Then, 6 years ago the family were involved in a serious accident which nearly kills the OH and leaves the rest of us with serious mental issues having witnessed the accident. (Who says there's no such thing as PTSD?) Anyway, I have now had the chance to retrain in a completely different career and we're looking to move to France as we're so fed up with this country. We now realise how much we have missed of the kids growing up as we've had another baby and we've seen him learn to walk, feed himself, etc. All the things that our nanny got to see with the other 3.

Yes, we miss the holidays etc. but we have come to realise what's important in life. Going to see the Christmas play is far more important than driving to Manchester etc.
 
suicidle_tramp said:
I think that it's not supposed to be taken seriously, it's just saying that earning **** loads of money isn't everything.
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Aye that I can agree with.

A saying I once heard: "Money isn't everything... bloody helps though!"
 
Life is always under pressure. Human's are the first species to establish a welfare state; a system whereby evolutionary failure may still thrive.

Ethically it's great. Evolutionarily it sucks.

However such evolutionary failures may yet lead to a new type of evolution. a computer world where human mistakes are irrelevent.
 
Money does help I agree. Im currently selling my Honda civic type r for a number of reasons (build quality, crap dealer service etc) but also because it will save me a hell of a lot of money (£600 a month at least), couple that to the fact i have a much cheaper runaround to get me to work and back, and now that means i'll have much more money to do as i wish with, go on holiday or just generally chill with.
 
Jumpingmedic said:
However such evolutionary failures may yet lead to a new type of evolution. a computer world where human mistakes are irrelevent.
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ARGH!!! CANNOT COMPUTE!!

If that ever happens, let's hope Microshaft doesn't win the contract for the software, eh?
 
It depends on what you mean by simple. I bet in the Third World a few people think that it's simple to have to turn on a tap for clean water, rather then walk miles. I bet a few of those mega rich people you hear about would think it simple to only have to worry about coming home after work, putting your feet up and watching the TV rather then stress about their business with stock markets, employees, income and loss etc. You always hear about famous people who look like they have the world handed to them on a plate complain that their lives are stressful because they are famous and have to endure being constantly plagued. I just don't think a simple life exists. All anyone can do is just to try their best to have a happy life.
 
JackMcMac said:
. I just don't think a simple life exists. .
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Are you kidding me? Simple life doeas exist, turning on a tap idea was something taken from a developed place and put in an undeloped area, Before the advent of taps and borehole in some part of my country, Me and my Grand ma are happy (yeap happy) to go the stream/pond/river to get some water you know :)
 
ElRazur said:
Are you kidding me? Simple life doeas exist, turning on a tap idea was something taken from a developed place and put in an undeloped area, Before the advent of taps and borehole in some part of my country, Me and my Grand ma are happy (yeap happy) to go the stream/pond/river to get some water you know :)
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There's nothing stopping you 'opting out'. You know, going to a 'simpler' place and just 'living'.

Actually, I'm prepared to pay for a 1-way ticket.

The problem is that I suspect that the 'simple' people would spot you for a troll a mile off, steal all your 'simple' posessions and throw your corpse in a ditch for nature to dispose of.
 
WJA96 said:
There's nothing stopping you 'opting out'. You know, going to a 'simpler' place and just 'living'.

Actually, I'm prepared to pay for a 1-way ticket.

The problem is that I suspect that the 'simple' people would spot you for a troll a mile off, steal all your 'simple' posessions and throw your corpse in a ditch for nature to dispose of.
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Haa funny, al im saying is simple life does exist and we are moving away from it period.
 
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And the ignorance meter goes off the scale!

What colour am I?
Where do I come from? Am I a financial/political immigrant to England?

Before you play the racist bigot card, check your facts.

ElRazur said:
Are you kidding me? Simple life doeas exist, turning on a tap idea was something taken from a developed place and put in an undeloped area, Before the advent of taps and borehole in some part of my country, Me and my Grand ma are happy (yeap happy) to go the stream/pond/river to get some water you know
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You don't have to go to anywhere that you are ethnically linked to, you can go to Rockall if you like, but if you want a simple life, do it.
 
ElRazur said:
Why is that the solution to all of UK's problem? Kick out the "Immiggrant" even though i was born here. Im sick of individual like you with that BNP mentality.
I am only trying to have a discussion but them it has to be derailed with non-sense like what you are coming out with.
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You were born here, but you describe another country as 'back home' which is it to be and why is it such a ludicrous idea that you might be more comfortable 'back home' - especially when you say you were happy before the advent of taps?
 
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