I don't disagree with anything you've said.
Looking at history, as we've become more enlightened and scientifically aware, we've become more secular and less tied down to religious texts.
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Looking at history, as we've become more enlightened and scientifically aware, we've become more secular and less tied down to religious texts.
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But "millions" of Muslims are
Besides, if you went for a tour around the American deep south you might change that statement - heck, watching an episode of Top Gear might even change your mind!Quite. And let's not forget, before we colluded to depose Assad, Syria was (if not more) as secular as the UK.
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That has got to be the worst attempt at quoting "a holy book" I've ever seen in my life. Exactly which holy book are you quoting? Because from what I can see it's just a load of random lines from here:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+26
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Good lord, you're citing the Iraq body count figures as the west's doing. So yes, I do despair, I really do. The reason I'm not throwing anything into any discussion with you herf is because it would be fruitless. You don't know what you're talking about and you're quoting second hand data from bias sources, further to which you are massively misinterpreting that data. Just because you said I am being proven wrong doesn't make that the case. Yes I'll dismiss whatever I wish, I simply don't care what you think of me. What I do care about is clueless people making the wrong assumptions about what we do. You're one of those people.
Perhaps I did. Was the point more around the environment that stuff gets taught in rather than the material itself?
Yes damn the Crusaders for setting up prosperous, stable, multi-cultural, tolerant states in the Middle-East
Christian crusaders from France, wiped out the Cathars in the south of France. En Mass.
It shows when an organised religion leadership oversteps and commits war.
I'm not sure that the 'stability' was all that in the times of the Crusades in the middle east.. certainly a case of the minority in control and oppressive rule. However I think that the majority shouldn't over step their own self appointed righteousness against minorities either.
The fact that you have minority and majority conflict is usually born out of organisations declaring themselves 'right' or 'the true <insert random made up statement here>'.
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He was just trying to be ever so clever. I wouldn't worry about it.
oh look one of the executions was actually utter BS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...omacy-tour-rumours-EXECUTED-wife-approve.html
I am not used to using photobucket!
He seems to be an expert on religion since he knows which forms of Islam are pure so I'm just asking which forms of Christianity are pure. Do you know the answer?
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That has got to be the worst attempt at quoting "a holy book" I've ever seen in my life. Exactly which holy book are you quoting? Because from what I can see it's just a load of random lines from here:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+26
Well, it wasn't the Koran, as some of the more intelligent posters on GD have figured out.
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I suppose deriding Jews is the natural step.
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Yes I do - none. Unlike Islam, decoding the meaning behind the teaching of Jesus is open to considerable interpretation. This is one of the reasons why there are so many Christian sects who for the most part maintain constructive links with each other. I don't think that Jesus would think much of anyone who claimed to be 'purer' than someone else - 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
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This exactly. Although I suppose as the heads of the UN Human Rights council, I'm sure that the Saudis are nothing but a beacon of hope in this otherwise oppressed world ...!
Do you mean do-as-I-say-or-burn-Jesus or another one?
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
What you've just said about Christian sects applies to Islamic sects as well. There is no pure Islam.
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Muslims believe the Quran in Arabic is the word of God, passed down directly to Mohammed. It is NOT open to interpretation.
Do you read books, scorza? Any text is open to interpretation, particularly religious texts. The Bible is supposed to be the word of God too, passed down directly to his prophets.
I've met a lot of Christians who believe the same thing of the Bible. Apparently it's possible to translate a book several times without losing any of its nuance...
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The Bible was written by men, lots of different men over a very long time period. It's not even one book - have you ever read it? I mean in whole not selected passages like the one you used above? I'm not an expert of the scriptures but I think you're wrong about it being the word of God passed down directly to his prophets. I know a lot of the New Testament concerns St Paul's letters to various groups of people and he wasn't a prophet - he was an apostle.
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The Bible is a collection of writings from various authors written sometimes hundreds of years apart, with parables, advice and dreams, all collected together into one book.
But the quran is only one book, written by one man in his own lifetime. It is meant to be taken literally, and it is not full of symbolism or vague analogies. It is mostly direct commands. Of course the quran contains contradictory statements, just like other religious books, but the quran itself provides the reader with a way to know what to do with the contradictions.
So when most Westerners hear Jihadists quoting violent passages from the quran, and then peaceful Muslims quoting peaceful passages, they interpret that the way they would if someone was quoting the Bible. They think to themselves, “Oh, there must be many different and contradictory passages, like there are in other religious books, so Muslims can pick and choose what they like, and justify whatever actions they want to take”. But the quran is nothing like that. There is no picking and choosing. It says very explicitly and in no uncertain terms that a muslim must not alter or ignore any part of its very clear and direct message, or they will burn in a fiery torment forever.
TL;DR All islam is pure.