ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

bo ones ever denied that they have us equipment.

They captured billions of dollars worth of the stuff from the Iraqi army right at the start.

Not to mention the vast amounts of material exchanging hands as various groups and factions form and swap sides, get absorbed or wiped out.

I mean if youre going to go down that route they have an absolute massive pile of russian equipment too.

Like those all important Ak47s and Ak74s rhey all seem to have

Much of it is, but we know from the Turkey revelations that there is also active supply. ISIS territory fluctuates. The AK47/74's are not being supplied now by Russia. The US manufactures AK47's no?

The issue is we are becoming increasingly aware that the US is backing the very worst side in this. The Ba'ath Party has been in power decades but again deserves its place gaining 70%+ of votes. Its the idea again that you keep voting till you get the right result.

Gadaffi said in 08 this would happen and the only nations immune would be the Emirati royalty. He is spot on

Hang on youve been hounding him over "evidence" now your evidence is a twistter post and "a guy on reddit who geo located them from the pictures"?

Seriously, reddit is now faster and more reliable than our inteligence services?

He isn't hounding he is trolling. He offers virtually nothing of substance. Hence having to start attacking a posters hobbies to hide the fact his evidence is never produced.

I've asked this guy to post evidence more times than I care to remember and yet he never replies with any and instead just berates. Ergo: Troll
 
Nonsense, but off out so will rebuff in due course!

Superb rebutal, are you ian d smith????

Now obviously I only see robocods drivel if it's quoted but the stuff I do see is hilarious, he must think it's his patriotic duty as a sycophant to believe all yankee lies he hears no matter how improbable, lol.
 
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Hang on youve been hounding him over "evidence" now your evidence is a twistter post and "a guy on reddit who geo located them from the pictures"?

Seriously, reddit is now faster and more reliable than our inteligence services?

I've been hounding HIM for evidence? I think you've got posts mixed up mate.

Also, regardless of the medium on which the information is hosted (be it reddit, twitter, or a TS military system) if the source/analysis is applicable then it is applicable. It would be folly to dismiss something just because it is based on a medium that you have presumptions about. That is the shills issue and the BBC. Take all the info and consider it all critically.
 
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Also vid is far from "proven" fake. Like any video its evidence and authenticity can be questioned. I thought it looked a little costumish for him to have a grenade and radio how he did. The gold ring comment is... Well... Clutching at straws. The "geo location" isn't any kind of proof either.

The most damning piece of evidence has yet to arrive from the US State Department.

Like all RT (or any other) news report then.

Alas, I actually post something to back up and you typically dismiss it straight away. So why should I bother RaohNS? If it doesn't play to your sound track then it doesn't matter.

AQ are under the ISIS umbrella eg I referred to al-Nusra as a quartet of it.

You really are having a hard time keeping up with this aren't you Cod.

Once again, resident shill ignores and fails to comment about the regime indiscriminately slaying its own civilians and instead chooses to try and re-educate me about ISIL. Deary me.
 
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Superb rebutal, are you ian d smith????

Now obviously I only see robocods drivel if it's quoted but the stuff I do see is hilarious, he must think it's his patriotic duty as a sycophant to believe all yankee lies he hears no matter how improbable, lol.

Ah bless.

I'd appreciate a quote so cry babies can cry.

No you are bud.

Are we 12 yrs old now?

No you are.
 
Once again, resident shill ignores and fails to comment about the regime indiscriminately slaying its own civilians and instead chooses to try and re-educate me about ISIL. Deary me.

Once again your post full of tripe. Ignorance is a blissful thing.

Going to stop feeding you now
 
Superb rebutal, are you ian d smith????

Now obviously I only see robocods drivel if it's quoted but the stuff I do see is hilarious, he must think it's his patriotic duty as a sycophant to believe all yankee lies he hears no matter how improbable, lol.

You're sounding a bit shrill there. What are the improbable yankee lies out of interest?

I don't think anyone is holding up the Americans as paragons of virtue. When they mess up they are rightfully lambasted. Why then are the Russians given so much slack by some here? Who're really the sycophants?
Some here give tacit (and active) support for the Russian airforce along with the Syrian government who are blitzing civilians in a besieged city, deliberately targeting hospitals (repeatedly), using incendiaries, barrel bombs (see that one that hit a funeral procession for previous bombing victims? Killed over 50 people) and the they seem beyond reproach?!

Imagine the (rightful) outrage if an American bombing campaign caused that much carnage on civilians?

UN aid convoy destroyed, which EVERYONE knew about and whom the survivors say were repeatedly attacked from the air and it's twisted so that the Americans engineered it! The same convoy a Russian drone was watching... Odd that.
 
Much of it is, but we know from the Turkey revelations that there is also active supply. ISIS territory fluctuates. The AK47/74's are not being supplied now by Russia. The US manufactures AK47's no?

The issue is we are becoming increasingly aware that the US is backing the very worst side in this. The Ba'ath Party has been in power decades but again deserves its place gaining 70%+ of votes. Its the idea again that you keep voting till you get the right result.

Gadaffi said in 08 this would happen and the only nations immune would be the Emirati royalty. He is spot on



He isn't hounding he is trolling. He offers virtually nothing of substance. Hence having to start attacking a posters hobbies to hide the fact his evidence is never produced.

I've asked this guy to post evidence more times than I care to remember and yet he never replies with any and instead just berates. Ergo: Troll

I don't believe AK47s are made in any volume for export in the US (atleast not by US military or military suppliers) mostly it is small volume for domestic market i.e. gun collectors - the bulk of those found in war zones are either old Russian stock or copies made in places like Croatia, etc.

While its fairly well known that jabhat, etc. have been heavily resupplied via Turkey, probably supported/funded by Saudi Arabia of which there is some evidence, there is no evidence of direct links to the US - and US made equipment means nothing - for instance there are large amounts of UK, German, etc. UBACS, webbing/assault rigs, etc. on display on soldiers on every side of the conflict and so on.
 
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I don't believe AK47s are made in any volume for export in the US (atleast not by US military or military suppliers) mostly it is small volume for domestic market i.e. gun collectors - the bulk of those found in war zones are either old Russian stock or copies made in places like Croatia, etc.

While its fairly well known that jabhat, etc. have been heavily resupplied via Turkey, probably supported/funded by Saudi Arabia of which there is some evidence, there is no evidence of direct links to the US - and US made equipment means nothing - for instance there are large amounts of UK, German, etc. UBACS, webbing/assault rigs, etc. on display on soldiers on every side of the conflict and so on.

Oh no doubt. But we can always sensibly draw a probability that the US supplies via proxy.

I'll still be keeping a close eye on this situation as a lot is starting to filter out. Plus there are serious questions regarding involvement and support even now.
 
Much of it is, but we know from the Turkey revelations that there is also active supply. ISIS territory fluctuates. The AK47/74's are not being supplied now by Russia. The US manufactures AK47's no?

The issue is we are becoming increasingly aware that the US is backing the very worst side in this. The Ba'ath Party has been in power decades but again deserves its place gaining 70%+ of votes. Its the idea again that you keep voting till you get the right result.

You trust those polls? Come on man jeeesus.

Are they backing isis or fighting them? The bombs smashing their trucks and technicals looks like fighting them to me, I mean, you only have to look at your signature to realise what kind of person you are, infact I remember you saying saddam was justified in trying to annex kuwait.

Says it all really.

Hitchens is talking about Galloway here, but his name could be replaced with yours quite easily.



So true.

"I cannot log onto the internet nor read any website without seeing some snarky and broken-down orator making pro-Assad/Russian statements, meanwhile dismissing any US/NATO action as imperial (which they invariably get from RussiaToday, go figure). But then again, this is the world we now live in; anti-Americanism is the hippest thing on the block and all the cool kids do it."
 
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What is the plan for not turning the government controlled areas into Allepo? Perhaps turn the cameras off like they do in Yemen? No such thing as 'good guys' in war, the situation is hopeless.
 
I've been hounding HIM for evidence? I think you've got posts mixed up mate.

Also, regardless of the medium on which the information is hosted (be it reddit, twitter, or a TS military system) if the source/analysis is applicable then it is applicable. It would be folly to dismiss something just because it is based on a medium that you have presumptions about. That is the shills issue and the BBC. Take all the info and consider it all critically.

but you dont know the analysis. "some guy on reddit geo located them" isnt an analysis.,

thats no different to "some guy on ocuk said it was USA/russia"
 
but you dont know the analysis. "some guy on reddit geo located them" isnt an analysis.,

thats no different to "some guy on ocuk said it was USA/russia"

Which is also pretty much the same as quoting a news article that was written by a journalist. So other than illegally publishing protectively marked material what do you suggest?

And yes it is analysis. He took data, analysed it and presented a sound argument. That's not bad really. It's better than "random guy who claims to be ISIL commander said something so it must be true!"
 
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Which is also pretty much the same as quoting a news article that was written by a journalist.

well no as the journalist will cite the professional source they used. ie Mi6 statement/security analysis etc


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And yes it is analysis. He took data, analysed it and presented a sound argument. That's not bad really. [/QUOTE]

but that's not what's represented it was "a guy on reddit geo located them to x quarry in regime territory"


It's better than "random guy who claims to be ISIL commander said something so it must be true!"

please dont get me confused for being on either of your sides here i think you're both fools but you're both making the exact same arguments against each other.
 
You trust those polls? Come on man jeeesus.

I will attempt to dissect this piece by piece as contrasted as possible. The Ba'ath Party won over 70%+ of the vote. The Brexit vote won 52%. Some in this nation are big enough to say "that's the choice". Places 2 and 3 came nowhere. They weren't polls either (as my trust in them is 0). This was a vote. The usual nations cried foul, while other nations who also oversaw the elections including India as an example said it was transparent.

Are they backing isis or fighting them? The bombs smashing their trucks and technicals looks like fighting them to me, I mean, you only have to look at your signature to realise what kind of person you are, infact I remember you saying saddam was justified in trying to annex kuwait.

The US are funding them. The US are providing weapons. They do so covertly. We are awaiting Wikileaks release of US finance through I believe (according to my sources) Qatar who knowingly sent this to an ISIS affiliate. This is sadly at this point evidence pending. But it has been alluded to several times.

My signature? Please continue....

I never said he was justified in the annexation of Kuwait, rather the invasion. Its clear that here there is a void in the situation as is reported and thus knowledge has holes. Saddam invaded due to reneges on agreements and Kuwait drilling (slant) into Iraqi oilfields (Ramallah if memory serves). He warned them to stop, they did not. Why did he set fire to oil fields when returning to Iraq? It makes perfect sense to destroy the very things stealing your wealth.

Says it all really.

Alas I of course disagree

Hitchens is talking about Galloway here, but his name could be replaced with yours quite easily.

Well, given I respect both of these men, I find it odd that Hitchens is used as an example to encompass not just one point but several. We don't forget that Hitchens biggest mistake was backing the Iraq War (aka a war based on fabrication)

So true.

"I cannot log onto the internet nor read any website without seeing some snarky and broken-down orator making pro-Assad/Russian statements, meanwhile dismissing any US/NATO action as imperial (which they invariably get from RussiaToday, go figure). But then again, this is the world we now live in; anti-Americanism is the hippest thing on the block and all the cool kids do it."

Not so. We talk of pro-Assad for the moment. Al-Assad has kept a nation together (I have no objection saying in many cases by force and wrongly so), but surely even an idiot would have a preference to that regime than what is happening now. Sven256 earlier in this very thread posted facebook images of restaurants in govt areas and not just one but multiple showing a far more peaceable and even "western" appearance.

Posters cried foul on that, denouncing them as frauds (until he posted the facebook), they then said it was just one (so he posted more), they then cried the images must be from before the civil war, to which they were less than a few days. And more they complained, more they ignored and more they made themselves appear foolish. Good on Sven.

I'll turn to Russian statements. Am I pro Russian? Or is it I am pro (based on my belief) pro right? What do I disagree with regarding Russia: The pressure they put on the smaller Baltic nations and particularly the Estonian border guard who I believe is still held (kidnapped). There is likely more I would afford no praise if it was reasonably presented and the contrast (alternative) is a preference.

The reality is that Russia is there in Syria by invitation/request. From the moment they entered the war they highlighted Turkey as a nation implicitly and unarguably in league with ISIS. I believe two journalists (including a British woman) were murdered for finding such a thing out.

With regard to imperialism, I suggest one of two things: 1) find a map of NATO countries and notice their placement in relation to Russia. 2) find the countries the US has military bases. Now come back here accepting of the fact imperialism is clearly evident.

We have seen governments overthrown in the name of US imperialism constantly and consistently. CARs are all US backed. Brazil is under a US sponsored coup, Venezuela etc.

Anti-Americanism is hip for one reason and I should never need to explain why.

As a visitor to the US, the people are the people... The leadership no longer cares for its people but its own avarice.

I trust this is more understandable?
 
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