Caporegime
One of the groups supporting Assad is Hezbollah.
The US hasn't tried to get rid of Assad, quite rightly imo they decided not to intervene in the Syrian civil war apart from limited air strikes against the Islamic State.
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One of the groups supporting Assad is Hezbollah.
The US hasn't tried to get rid of Assad, quite rightly imo they decided not to intervene in the Syrian civil war apart from limited air strikes against the Islamic State.
No because clearly the world isn't bad guys vs good guys, cowboys and Indians. When discussing whole states and the strategic maneuvers they make its almost always in regards to a position that puts them to an advantage over other states. If you want to take the naive stance on enemy being someone we are fighting, as in adversary in war, good guy vs bad guy then obviously Russia is not an enemy in that sense, I'm not going to fear for my safety walking through Moscow. However, they're an adversary who will compete with other states for political, economic and resource dominance over other states. Which brings me conveniently on to your other point about shaky histories... What does that have to do with anything today? Should we regret and apologise for it? No. Should we therefore turn round and say to the rest of the world "oh sorry old chaps, seeing as we were quite the bunch of tyrants centuries ago, have at it and have your fair share of rape and plunder, what what". How bloody British would that be!no sorry, the world doesn't work like that.
But our media dress us up as the good guys, and like it or not, that's the general perception of people in the west. Sure, we have some freedoms and I'd rather live here than some other places. But we dominate and dictate policy to other sovereign countries, using threats, diplomatic manoeuvrings and covert actions to enforce our will. And we exploit the hell out of poorer nations. We aren't the "good guys" on the international stage. We're the successful guys, and we're continually doing over the little guys when it suits us.
As for raping and pillaging, all we've been doing lately is spreading lawlessness by weakening or deposing so-called "tyrants", in exchange for leaving their countries totally unstable, ripe for ISIS and other fundamentalist nutjobs to move in and take control. Pretty much deliberately.
Frankly we don't have a crap about the civilian populations of these countries, and nor does our media. Except to sell stories and to sell agendas. Every time we see "civilians casualties" on the news, it's not to highlight how appalling all war is, it's always to show how the west is "good", while Russia, Assad, Gadaffi etc are "bad". When the reality is mostly always nothing of the sort. They never show the civilian causalities that we've caused.
Frankly I hope Russia succeeds in keeping Assad in power. I would like the west for once to fail in its warmongering foreign policy. To put a check on this "world police" facade we've got going.
Go Putin.
oh i'm sure putin will succeed in keeping assad in the equation but that isn't going to be much help in finding a solution to the civil war is it.
you've right about the west but russia and putins aims are no different. This isn't about syria, it's about the game of empires and one upmenship that has been going on for centuries.
The best thing that could happen is if both stop medaling, afterall we need a solution, not just more of the same. Ironically if assad had modernised his state at the start this all could have been avoided.
I hope there will be a solution, there has to be, but it is up to the syrians and not the west or russia. after all what you said about the west applies to russia, putin just wants the screw over the west, not find a solution.
Agreed, the only positive thing I can see Russia getting out of this that they couldn't have gotten anyway is combat experience for the untested Su-34 which could potentially earn them billions in sales. However it's not like it would offset the cost of the war lol.
As do all other media outlets of all other nations. RT for example is pro-Russian, and paint them as the "good guys". What's the point here?
If you feel so strongly about it then I think it only right you start sacrificing everything you have and handing it over to the 'little guy', it's that or emigrate to a poorer country and try do some good there. Because by staying here, you're just adding to your perceived problem that the big bad west is sucking poor countries dry.
The point was they have an extensive and developed military relationship, to the extent that being able to build a military base isn't a big deal. This isn't a magical opportunity they wouldn't have had otherwise, imo.
I didn't say it's a magical opportunity but it is a good excuse to now place a lot of their aircraft right on the Med, under the guise of combating ISIL. It's just the same as the US having strategic bases all round the middle east, encircling Iran, permanent bases in Iraq and pretty much anywhere that is viable to give them strategic advantage and resource security.
If, after however long the situation takes to resolve, Russia have withdrew all their aircraft and are not conducting bomber flights across the med, you can come back to me and tell me I was talking horse ****
Soldato
Stupid stupid stupid. The rebels being killed are not isis and the regime has never been interested in stopping isis. This is the pr Russia and assad is putting out, the reality is they are targeting al nusra and other factions who are not allied with isis whom isis views as infidels.
Once they are gone then it really will be assad versus isis which is what assads end game is.
Once they are gone then it really will be assad versus isis which is what assads end game is.
Caporegime
If ever there was a cause for the west and Russia to come together it's to tackle the Islamic State. It's such a shame that Putin would rather strengthen IS just to make it look like Russia is powerful and stands up to America.
I'd find it a lot more acceptable to police the world if that's what we were actually doing. Cameron/Obama go and bow in front of the Saudi king who presides over one of the most backwards regimes in the Middle East and Bahrain get to massacre their equivalent of the "Free Syrian Army" whilst we happily turn a blind eye and hold F1 Grand Prix's there. It's just all so blatantly hypocritical.
Our governments do not give a **** about any of the people it's all just a moral justification for waging war and replacing governments we don't like, or more specifically aren't in our back pockets. I'm not a Russia lover but I respect their foreign policy far more than ours and I guess if someone had to stand up to the playground bullies it was bound to be them.
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Caporegime
You know there's an F1 race in Russia this year? Hopefully it'll get canned as more sanctions are put on the Putin regime.
Not a chance in hell of that happening.
Why would russia target isis when the US and allies are already bombing them? They just need to target the other rebel groups, incidently some of which are being supplied and trained by the West and their arab alies. The overall effect of which will weaken the anti-assad rebels and thus strengthen assad's position.
And, if assad cannot win the war outright it will massively strenghten assad's hand when the negotians start for an eventual political solution.
What the west will do in response i don't know, after all they have backed down some suggesting assad doesn't have to leave on day one in any transition compared with previous demands that he would.
Caporegime
Probably right, Putin knows how to pay off the right people (and liquidate them if they don't play ball), unlike in the west.
Caporegime
Apparently, hundreds of Iranian and Hezbollah troops are now in Northern Syria to launch a ground offensive supporting the Russian air strikes. Putin has also conscripted an extra 150,000 troops!
I'm sure there are many angles to this, but maybe these countries just got tired with our dicking around and weak policy.
I'm sure there are many angles to this, but maybe these countries just got tired with our dicking around and weak policy.
Only hundreds? Doesn't sound like much.
Caporegime
It's a start. That Chechen ruler who seems a little unhinged is also spoiling for a fight with ISIS.
Caporegime
If it looks like a terrorist, talks like a terrorist, acts like a terrorist, it's a terrorist - right Sergei?
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Soldato
That's what Xerxes thought at Thermopylae.
No power game, Assad asked the Russians for help. Seems genuine enough to me.
Caporegime
RUSSIA **** YEAH!! COMIN' AGAIN TO SAVE THE MUTHA ******* DAY YEAH!!!