ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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The Western coalition look like they have been outmanoeuvred by Putin again. "Fuel more extremism", please! What have we been doing for the last couple of decades? All of the money, training and equipment we have been supplying - clearly dousing the situation with ample water!?
Russia's culture is one of - mess with the bear, it's going to leave you messed up. Force tactics.
What will happen is that whilst Russian forces have clear and defined targets, force will work. Once the targets become fragmented and gorilla warfare starts - it will be their Vietnam.
I can see russia simply focusing on it's border security - don't forget that Russia has a massive amount of land based boarders so it relies on the stability of the border sharing neighbouring state to indirectly police it.
Saudi's response will be interesting and the Russia-Saudi relationship considering they're both large scale energy/oil producers.
What will happen is that whilst Russian forces have clear and defined targets, force will work. Once the targets become fragmented and gorilla warfare starts - it will be their Vietnam.
I can see russia simply focusing on it's border security - don't forget that Russia has a massive amount of land based boarders so it relies on the stability of the border sharing neighbouring state to indirectly police it.
Saudi's response will be interesting and the Russia-Saudi relationship considering they're both large scale energy/oil producers.
So basically it will be their Afghanistan, again.
Though they may actually win this one unless we start arming ISIS like we did the Taliban/Al-Qaeda in the 80's.
Caporegime
LOL every time a western airstrike goes wrong and kills a lot of civilians there's western media outrage - Glenn Greenwald should know, he used to work for the Guardian until they took a tougher line on Russia because of the harassment of their Moscow correspondent. I can't wait for western governments to wake up and realise we're in Cold War 2, the first thing they need to do is start rounding up traitors like Greenwald.
Soldato
From the BBC
"A 15-year-old British boy who plotted to behead police officers at an Anzac Day parade in Australia has been sentenced to life imprisonment"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34423984
I don't think he will see the light of day again.
"A 15-year-old British boy who plotted to behead police officers at an Anzac Day parade in Australia has been sentenced to life imprisonment"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34423984
I don't think he will see the light of day again.
Caporegime
Life, yet minimum of 5 years. So theoretically could be out in 2020.
All he has to do is harp about how changed he is, and he will be roaming the streets again soon enough.
All he has to do is harp about how changed he is, and he will be roaming the streets again soon enough.
Some of the videos of Russian forces fighting partisian/guerilla opponents is interesting - their tactics usually involve spending 2 hours firing heavy machineguns, grenade launchers, etc. at one house at a time :s
Caporegime
He could be out by 2018 as prisoners can be released from prison halfway through their minimum tariff, which makes a complete mockery of the concept of "minimum". I'd put money on him being out by then actually as the pressure is always to release prisoners early to save money and cut overcrowding.
are you actually insane?
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Well Russia is whats needed now, hard straight line approach.
Caporegime
What's insane about locking up citizens of western countries who give classified info to the enemy? We locked up British citizens who spied for the Soviet Union, why not Greenwald? Just cos he's a sort of journalist doesn't give him the right to break the law of the land.
the classified information being that the government was breaking the law and the enemy being the people under that government in this situation yes?
Caporegime
The vast majority of classified information Snowden and Greenwald gave to Russia had nothing to do with global surveillance. On the day a 15 year old boy from Lancashire was convicted to life imprisonment for plotting to behead a policeman for Islamic State, I don't see how you can deny that there are enemies living within this country.
Soldato
You can see hundreds of them in every broadcast of PMQs.
Let me get this straight.. The West does thousands of air strikes in Syria, Putin comes along and does 10 and he 'outmanoeuvred' the West? He has a base there yet he's been doing bugger all for 4 years and now he's suddenly a geopolitical genious? What are you smoking?
Out of curiousity, who exactly has the 'bear' messed up in the last... 70 years? Other than bullying its small powerless neighbours, what has the 'bear' accomplished?
Putin is trying to find a way out of isolation and he's using Syria to achieve it, that's all there is to it. If he puts troops on the ground, it will be his biggest mistake and the beginning of the end for him. Russia does not have the economy or the stability to support real warfare.
Gave to Russia you mean reported publicly. And what was it then?
What did they "give to russia" that was traitorus troop movements missile specs? What exactly?
Not sure why your conflating an ISIS lone wolf child with a cold war 2 spy conspiracy
Russia had been fighting Islamic terrorists for longer than we have.
Soldato
Spoken like a true outsider
Ukraine is far from small (biggest country wholely in Europe) and far from powerless (biggest army wholely in Europe). The bear has accomplished the halt of EU expansion to her boarders.Russia isn't isolated, still lovely Finnish supermarkets open for business. You forget that Russians are not delicate European flowers, they are hard Asian bears, isolation is not a fear for them. They don't care about the things Europeans care for. Russia is very stable for war and no housing bubble to protect. Putin holds all the cards and the west knows it, all the west can do is cry a river of liberal tears.
Don
The oil price crash says hello.
Soldato
we ballsed up libya..now its just factions fighting each other
yet we tried again in syria by backing opposing factions, none of which we really knew much about, and some who then allied with islamist forces
so why not just let russia bomb the lot and try to put an end to the whole sorry mess
if that means dealing with Assad then so be it..its not like it could get any worse
yet we tried again in syria by backing opposing factions, none of which we really knew much about, and some who then allied with islamist forces
so why not just let russia bomb the lot and try to put an end to the whole sorry mess
if that means dealing with Assad then so be it..its not like it could get any worse