ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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It seems that your position is, "everything is ******** therefore don't do anything to make it worse" which I actually don't disagree with that much, it's a legitimate position to have - it just seems difficult to live in an advanced society, to sit back and let it happen without intervening,
I see both sides of the argument, but doing nothing and sitting back seems like a race to the bottom - that said, a race in any other direction isn't clear either.
You've just labelled yourself ignorant of the fact.
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I'm not saying this in a mean way, but I suggest you educate yourself on the White Hats.
Should take you a hour or two to read this.
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/tag/james-le-mesurier/
I would post a photo of a White Helmet holding the head of some poor sod who just had it chopped off, but that would be against the forum rules I suspect.
None of this information is secret or hidden. You yourself can visit their facebook pages of these guys and see their own photos they post.
Soldato
But in Syrian all those "human right" groups belong to the rebels Saudis, Britain & US funds to try remove from the Med the last Russian base.
Lets see some "well known" people from there. Like the Free Syrian Army which had almost daily some rep on the BBC up to a year ago. These were military backed by Turkey and are as islamists as it goes (next step is Isil).
And those "heroes fighting Assad" are those who attacked the Kurds in Afrin since January, with the backing of Turkish airforce, tanks and artillery.
The same people who destroyed Afrin and pulled down everything memorable of the Kurds or Christians in the area the same day. (their own videos are online).
As for the area the alleged chemical attack happened, was free of the rebels three weeks ago. Hell there are videos of Assad driving through it.
Why Assad would drop chemicals to the free zone?
And all these on the already forgotten case of Britain blaming Russia for the nerve agent which showed was a pretty good lie the whole thing.
What's it like living in a black and white world?
Blithely labelling a whole organisation, whose members have repeatedly shown ridiculous bravery (many of whom have died for it) saving literally thousands as baby killers... and you call me ignorant?
You're a top bloke!
that is exactly why i said there needed to be an independent investigation by the UN and OPCW to find the facts and who was responsible. How is that not impartial? in that respect why is the UK US etc believing assad being responsible relavent if the investigation is carried out by the UN and OPCW? Is it not any different than the police believing someone is responsible before the prove it. The evidence collected would speak for itself. Every individual has confirmation bias it is impossible not to.
Yes, i'm aware of faked video, from what I know it is only one for which they appologised, the organisation itself is seen as reliable by the Guardian and others and that there is no credible evidence to the contrary.
And you think I'm partial......right
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It's not that we shouldn't do something, it's more that everything we do seems to lead to bigger problems
I'm of the belief that we're simply incapable of providing an actual solution that doesn't make things worse, therefore we should do nothing until we can find a solution that doesn't make things worse
It's like our only tool is a hammer so make everything look like a nail, it hasn't worked in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Ukraine... why is it suddenly going to work for the nth time of trying ?
If we weren't playing world enforcer and instead tried diplomacy maybe the world would be a better place if we could talk through our problems instead of threats and gung-ho attitudes
It's also ironic while you claim we need to do something in Syria I don't see you saying we need to do anything in Zimbabwe or Saudi Arabia or North Korea or any other ******** country run by a dictator
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Take this with a grain of salt.
One thing that is a fact is that the ships that was in the Tartus port have moved out, but most believe this was to keep their ships safe from any possible strikes. Satellite/Air images have shown that.
Unable to confirm how the source knows their defence suites are fully activated, there is a difference between passive and active, if you got the right radio equipment, you should be able to detect the differences. (It's like a spot light being turned on and off)
Seems the US military assets are all ready and now they are waiting on Trumps order. So next few hours or tonight should be when things kick off.
I honestly hope nothing happens.
One thing that is a fact is that the ships that was in the Tartus port have moved out, but most believe this was to keep their ships safe from any possible strikes. Satellite/Air images have shown that.
Unable to confirm how the source knows their defence suites are fully activated, there is a difference between passive and active, if you got the right radio equipment, you should be able to detect the differences. (It's like a spot light being turned on and off)
Seems the US military assets are all ready and now they are waiting on Trumps order. So next few hours or tonight should be when things kick off.
I honestly hope nothing happens.
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Depends who you are talking to - some reckon they are going to wait until Truman CSG is in position - which is near a week yet - others reckon they will go with what is in the region with the CSG utilised as backup if needed.
I called you ignorant of the fact. Wish I didn't have to force-spoonfeed you and you would have looked it up for yourself:
Dr Leif Elinder, MD, specialist in pediatrics
Dr Lena Oske, MD, GP, Chief Medical Doctor
Dr Martin Gelin, specialist in dental surgery, designer of various medical and surgical items
https://theduran.com/warning-distur...ing-babies-in-pr-stunt-to-start-war-in-syria/
This is like talking to a wall. How is the OPCW impartially investigating and presenting the facts to the UN NOT impartial? Try to get this through your thick skull: Porton Down (an OPCW laboratory) have only just told us that it is not within their remit to establish WHERE (or from whom) the nerve agent came from, only to verify that a nerve agent had been used, and what type. Yet you are saying that the OPCW ought to be given the power to assign blame. This is nonsense.
Police are allowed to believe, but they are not allowed to FIND GUILTY... except in this day and age that's all starting to change and people who are not terrorists are perma-banned from entering countries under anti-terror laws without a trial, purely based on police/border force interpretation of the law.
They're an MI6 created outfit, necessary to launder (white-wash) UK money to Jihadi organisations (their leader is banned from entering the US because they know what he is and do not trust what he might do over there, they only want him in the Middle East to carry out their terrorism). The Guardian can stuff it.
Think you meant to say partial.
Have you got a link to the video? i mean the original one where the stuff on that site is taken from.
maybe i've not bin clear enough. what i mean is the investigation cant just say if chemical weapons have been used, they also need to investigate and follow the evidence to whom ever it leads to. Then it goes to the security council to act. I was under the impression the Russian proposal left out the secound part and would just investigate whether chemical weapons had been used or not and leaving the security council to apportion blame to the guilty party.
The problem with the Russian proposal (as I understand it) it would leave the SC to apportion blame, but because members can use a veto the whole process can be obstructed. (surely you can see that). Of course, the US proposal will eventually get to the same problem in that members of the SC will be able to veto and and stop any action from taking.
Basically we need a method that prevents either side from blocking and Delaying the investigation and its outcome, and filters out the conflicts of interests involved either by one side or the other.
where's the evidence for this?
yeh correct, sorry just re-read that
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That was taken from a related news article from bbc news website.
Now if the experts cant tell do you really think we should go to war based on a guess ?
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Is White Phosphorous not a chemical weapon ?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/world/middleeast/raqqa-syria-white-phosphorus.html
Or was there no outrage because the chemical weapon was being used on the bad guys as opposed to Western propagandised "good guys"
One rule for them, another for us
The double standards are really quite astounding and it's really sad that people will defend these double standards making out that the West are a bastion of purity and good when the reality is our moral compass is as ****** up as all other factions on the planet
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/world/middleeast/raqqa-syria-white-phosphorus.html
Or was there no outrage because the chemical weapon was being used on the bad guys as opposed to Western propagandised "good guys"
One rule for them, another for us
The double standards are really quite astounding and it's really sad that people will defend these double standards making out that the West are a bastion of purity and good when the reality is our moral compass is as ****** up as all other factions on the planet
Soldato
I think the yanks also used white phosphorus in Iraq too.
Soldato