?? but none of the attackers were from the UK
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?? but none of the attackers were from the UK
I would also imagine ISIS aren't stupid to hang about. They must know the French will retaliate.
Yep, this video always get's trotted out and with even the fantastic intellect he has, it's still just his opinion and he can be wrong you know.
Besides, what he is saying is not the point really, no-one is talking about appeasing the fundamentalists, because they are set on their ideology no matter what we do and they need defeating - whether this is by the bomb and bullet or politics, who knows.
But what people are usually talking about when discussing the effects of our foreign policy is how it gives traction to these fundamentalists to spread their word and recruit more followers to their side
The 'moderate normal guy' who is just going about his daily business is less likely to be converted into blowing himself up for some jihad than they guy who has seen his mother/father/brother/sister blown to smithereens by one of our missiles.
So, no our foreign policies in the ME haven't created these nutters, but it sure gives them a base to garner support and launch their terrorism from.
It's very nice of the French to step up and take over bombing duties for a week or so, give the other pilots a rest.
But the real threat as always lies elsewhere.
We have someone who is openly transporting ISIS fighters into Europe, providing them with nice safe police free ghettos to operate out of, legal aid for anyone caught being radical, and rights legislation to make to harder to even find them, and she actively obstructs all attempts by other countries to change this deadly process.
Surely a strafing run of Merkel the Muslim's house would send the right message?
It is always the same when countries are trying to fight a war against terrorists, the naive lib-left are there every step of the way to make it difficult for everyone to just get the job done.
But the real threat as always lies elsewhere.
We have someone who is openly transporting ISIS fighters into Europe, providing them with nice safe police free ghettos to operate out of, legal aid for anyone caught being radical, and rights legislation to make to harder to even find them, and she actively obstructs all attempts by other countries to change this deadly process.
Surely a strafing run of Merkel the Muslim's house would send the right message?
It is always the same when countries are trying to fight a war against terrorists, the naive lib-left are there every step of the way to make it difficult for everyone to just get the job done.
they're going to have lots of potential targets and they'll prioritize them - some more valuable than others, some with a greater risk of civilian casualties
if they increase the resources they're dedicating to their bombing campaign then they can attack more targets - presumably it wasn't as high a priority as other targets they were striking previously
Soldato
Works for me. Someone send me a SOFLAM and I'll laze a few targets on the way home.
Soldato
It's very nice of the French to step up and take over bombing duties for a week or so, give the other pilots a rest.
But the real threat as always lies elsewhere.
We have someone who is openly transporting ISIS fighters into Europe, providing them with nice safe police free ghettos to operate out of, legal aid for anyone caught being radical, and rights legislation to make to harder to even find them, and she actively obstructs all attempts by other countries to change this deadly process.
Surely a strafing run of Merkel the Muslim's house would send the right message?
It is always the same when countries are trying to fight a war against terrorists, the naive lib-left are there every step of the way to make it difficult for everyone to just get the job done.
not sure if srs?
Well the man who asks the question is hardly a "Jihad sympathiser" is he?
And Christopher Hitchens doesn't really debate the topic does he?
He uses the Al-Qaedi Manifesto (who are terrorists btw!) as part of an emotional response ending with "I'm not going to surrender to these people... You should be ashamed for sneering at people who guard you whilst you sleep". Did you actually watch the video?
Which regards to "blaming" western foreign policy. People hardly blame it rather point a large factor is radicalisation. Lets look at the Iraq war for e.g. at the lowest figure 126,000 (just think about that number - 129 died in Paris) innocent civilian non-combatants were killed in the Iraq Invasion. Tell me honestly, do you think that has no impact whatsoever on radicalisation?? At all??
And do you really think we did it for humanitarian reasons? We know that all 15/19 of the 9/11 bombers were from our allies the Saudi. I suppose it was nothing to do with oil? Lets not even get into the details about who gave Sadam his weapons....
Lets look at Syria - where did the "rebels"/ISIS get their weapons? The west had no input to that whatsoever?
To think that the West are completely innocent in all this is being naive.
Commissario
Sounds like the mother/father/friends of a lot of people who have done something seriously nasty.
Think how many times you've heard stuff along the lines of "He was such a nice quiet neighbour, never any trouble and always willing to lend a hand", or "they were such nice lads, always good to their mother" when someone has been arrested for murder/rape.
Most people tend to have an inability to believe their loved ones may have done something that bad, at least initially andthe same sort of thing often happens when someone you love dies suddenly, or you find out you've got cancer.
So UK citizens who have nothing in common with French (home-grown) terrorists should be bombed because they believe in the same God?
Not sure who I should be more afraid of, ISIS or people who think like you.
Colonel Richard Kemp former COBRA Chairman has just been on TV and guess how many people are on a watch list in the UK (MI5 stats)..?
3, 30, 300 no try 3,000 and that's the ones they know about. This country is pathetic in dealing with these people. I'd just deport them and I don't care where and I don't care about their human rights. Just get rid. All decent Muslim people should want them out too.
3, 30, 300 no try 3,000 and that's the ones they know about. This country is pathetic in dealing with these people. I'd just deport them and I don't care where and I don't care about their human rights. Just get rid. All decent Muslim people should want them out too.
or the guy who grew up in Luton with no connection to Iraq/Afghanistan but who'd listened to a hate preacher/watched Islamist youtube videos etc..
it can act as a catalyst sure but frankly you're damned if you do and damned if you don't in that respect... we intervened in say Bosnia, Kosovo in the face of Serbian aggressors to stop massacres, we intervened in Sierra Leone... we probably should have intervened in Rwanda but didn't.
Though where are all the Serbian suicide bombers? ISIS isn't mostly comprised of the sons of bombing victims...
It is still the ideology that is the root cause here
Syria is the result of the Arab spring, there would be issues with terrorism there whether we did anything or not... The gun massacre in Paris not so long ago was the result of a cartoon FFS. Sure we invaded Iraq but it is the inability of the Iraqi govt to share power with the sunni minority that allowed ISIS to take over so much territory there... we don't know for sure what might have happened if we hadn't invaded but the idea that Saddam would be absolutely fine and remain in control when there were uprisings across the arab world and he was presiding over a majority shia population that wanted to get rid of him is unlikely... seems pretty likely you'd have a syria situation there too even if we hadn't invaded - potentially you'd have a much worse one with Iranian backing and Syrian style massacres.
Lets not forget that Assad, who Russia are still trying to prop up, was basically trying to commit genocide in response to the uprising he was facing.
As Hitch points out the western world has been attacked as a result of stopping a genocide in East Timor even. Blaming western foreign policy is a poor excuse. Frankly there are areas where we ought to step in and offer assistance and the threat of militant Islamist shouldn't be a barrier to this. If there is some foreign policy to blame behind this then it is Saudi foreign policy exporting radical Islam not US/UK foreign policy.
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Exactly, I'm surprised duese needing this explaining tbh
Though I have to say, some of the comments (if accurate) are quite funny..
Well, not wearing a suicide vest is usually a good start in not becoming a suicide bomber
Man of Honour
They haven't done anything, they're just being watched, they might be British and you want to deport them without any idea of where to send them?
Yeah, that's a reasonable response
Yet you think it is OK to bomb France and Belgium?
(or perhaps you shouldn't read everything on the internet at face value
)Deporting them will allow them to regroup, spread their hate and plan attacks. They should be locked up where they can't be a danger to anyone. For the ones who agree with the ISIS executions maybe they should be given the same.
Yet you think it is OK to bomb France and Belgium?
(or perhaps you shouldn't read everything on the internet at face value
If we know these neighbourhoods are recruiting and sheltering terrorists why not send in a few drone strikes. If it works for the ME it should work for the EU?
not sure if srs?
Entirely sure you have nothing to add, go and troll elsewhere please.
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The problem with deportation is that a) Many of them are British citizens and b) Who would actually take them?
What we need to do is buy some empty land in Africa, build a camp and deport them all there, tearing up their citizenship when we do so.
What we need to do is buy some empty land in Africa, build a camp and deport them all there, tearing up their citizenship when we do so.