Islamic Preaching
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johnson said:
But what if you felt sooo much about your religion you wanted others to know about it?? That the point.
Is saying your gonna burn in hell too much to convert others to your religion? Probably not as most religions have done this for thousands of years.
It's only now that people have become so disassociated with anything religious that it becomes more apparent as they try to bring back the flock.
We have choices after all.
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I can handle Jehovah's Witnesses speaking to me - only because I used to go to their precious churches over 10 years ago.
But any other religion will be told that I am not interested. If I'm lucky enough that they catch me a bad day, they're in for some verbal abuse.
I don't give a flying **** if they black, brown, olive or white. I couldn't care less they believe I will rot in the Devil's turds. I simply am not interested.
But any other religion will be told that I am not interested. If I'm lucky enough that they catch me a bad day, they're in for some verbal abuse.
I don't give a flying **** if they black, brown, olive or white. I couldn't care less they believe I will rot in the Devil's turds. I simply am not interested.
I couldn't believe my mother the other day. She, a lifelong god-fearing christian, was watching "Jesus Of Nazareth" and she turned to me and said:
"I think you're right, Wayne. This is all made up. I still believe in God but I now realise the bible's cobblers."
My jaw nearly hit the floor.
"I think you're right, Wayne. This is all made up. I still believe in God but I now realise the bible's cobblers."
My jaw nearly hit the floor.
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Tell them what I do;
If your god cannot forgive someone just trying to survive in a world of intolerance and hostility then it is not worthy of my worship.
If the creature is no vain and selfish to expect total devotion amongst the grips of the chaos of life, then to hell with your god it is not even remotely worthy of your respect.
Any god that would ask a creature to give up its only chance of happiness on this earth should be hunted and destroyed because it is an affront to life itself.
"Good men do good things"
"Bad men do bad things"
"But it takes religion to make a good man do bad things"
If your god cannot forgive someone just trying to survive in a world of intolerance and hostility then it is not worthy of my worship.
If the creature is no vain and selfish to expect total devotion amongst the grips of the chaos of life, then to hell with your god it is not even remotely worthy of your respect.
Any god that would ask a creature to give up its only chance of happiness on this earth should be hunted and destroyed because it is an affront to life itself.
"Good men do good things"
"Bad men do bad things"
"But it takes religion to make a good man do bad things"
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asim said:
In Islam it states that the lord is the most understanding and the most merciful - If a non muslim has never heard or seen Islam, only the lord knows if he or she will or will not go to hell, but from the "most merciful and most understanding" im sure you can settle that in your own mind. No one really 100% knows what the lord will or will not do though..
Ouch, dont believe everything you see on the net or as a matter of fact what people write as well. The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) clearly stated that Islam was NOT spread by the sword, the Qu'ran also states that it is invalid to force a person to become Muslim, they have to do it of their own free will otherwise they are still a non muslim. Where you got that from I dont know, but I have seen some pretty brutal stories which sicken me about Islamic history which is purposly designed to make you think "Islam is bad" such as that quote.
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Isnt it the same in every religion that every disobeyer will be punished? Whether its eternity in hell or temporary punishment?
There are so many many different religions, I can't see how it works to be honest. if only 1 of these religions is true the rest are lies, so its pick and hope u get the correct religion to follow or your off to hell!!!
Or maybe Religion is just crap.
Or maybe Religion is just crap.
Here is my take on things:
Imagine a 3000 year old Chinese whisper. Basically a story that gets spread in different directions, translated into many different languages and told with embellishments or made to fit into whatever society thought correct at the time.
There are bigots who interpret other religions into their own evil twisted way, for example the reference above that forces conquered peoples to convert to Islam.
The easiest way of explaining my view is that if you stand at 4 points at the foot of a mountain and look up, you see differently the same summit. At the first point, the summit has snow on it. At the second point, it does not and has a face in the rock, and so on. Subtle differences over what is the same thing.
Take the holy books from the religions and compare them. It may astound you at how many things are the same.
This will get many people angry, but here is my belief:
There is no perfect or even correct religion.
Religion is what you personally believe in your heart makes you a good person. Take what is written in the holy book of the religions and realise that they are an interpretation of what men thought at the time they were written. There is no "Word of God", the word of God is your conscience.
There are so many incorrect interpretations also, which leads to division of beliefs, the things I believe in are as follows:
There is no limit on the amount of people who will be let into heavan
Truely repentant people will enter Heavan as God is most merciful
Being good and generous to the people around you makes this life less of a living Hell
Religious writtings that denounce other religions show the intolerance of the writer, not the religion
Read the beliefs of all religions and take what you want from each, then you have found true religion
Imagine a 3000 year old Chinese whisper. Basically a story that gets spread in different directions, translated into many different languages and told with embellishments or made to fit into whatever society thought correct at the time.
There are bigots who interpret other religions into their own evil twisted way, for example the reference above that forces conquered peoples to convert to Islam.
The easiest way of explaining my view is that if you stand at 4 points at the foot of a mountain and look up, you see differently the same summit. At the first point, the summit has snow on it. At the second point, it does not and has a face in the rock, and so on. Subtle differences over what is the same thing.
Take the holy books from the religions and compare them. It may astound you at how many things are the same.
This will get many people angry, but here is my belief:
There is no perfect or even correct religion.
Religion is what you personally believe in your heart makes you a good person. Take what is written in the holy book of the religions and realise that they are an interpretation of what men thought at the time they were written. There is no "Word of God", the word of God is your conscience.
There are so many incorrect interpretations also, which leads to division of beliefs, the things I believe in are as follows:
There is no limit on the amount of people who will be let into heavan
Truely repentant people will enter Heavan as God is most merciful
Being good and generous to the people around you makes this life less of a living Hell
Religious writtings that denounce other religions show the intolerance of the writer, not the religion
Read the beliefs of all religions and take what you want from each, then you have found true religion
panthro said:
Hmm interesting. Firstly, this is not the reason why Islam has spread so rapidly, because you will get christians saying the only way to salvation is through Jesus etc etc pretty much all religions or 'religious people' will try to promote their own belief in some way.
Anyway, im muslim myself and heres my take on things. Every muslim will tell you the same thing, that God is the most merciful. In Islam, images are not used to represent God, but instead the most beautiful names, 99 names to be precise eg. Ar-rahman (the Benficient), Al-Adl (the Just) etc. These names help give a muslim, a more better understanding of God, but no human being is capable of fully comprehending 'God'. From what I have learnt as a muslim, I know that after death, no person will be wronged. If someone lived their life on a deserted island and never came across the Quran or any prophet, then he/she will be judged by the only One who is worthy to judge, thats God.
The guy who told you, its his duty to inform you of Islam, was correct in saying that, but the manner in which he did, wasnt the best way. And also, its not for any person to tell any other person that they are going to hell, because we dont have any authority to say such things, the final decision lies with God. What he should have told you was to take the time to look into Islam yourself, by reading the Quran in english, and answering any queries you had about Islam.
reflex said:
Actually if you knew anything about Islam, it doesnt say 'this is right, everything else is wrong'. Islam says the message has always been the same since the start, but its been distorted over time by man. We regard Adam (pbuh), Moses (pbuh), Jesus (pbuh), Muhammed (pbuh) all as prophets of God, who came with the same message.
Nix said:
Its not possible for me or anyone to give a verdict on anyone else, because the fact is, we simply do not know 'everything' about that person.
But as a muslim, something (according to my beliefs) that I can say, is that every person will be dealt with fairly. If God has given a person a brain that functions properly, and their heart and mind is open, then he/she should accept the truth if they ever find it. You cannot possibly be punished for something which is not your fault. The judgement day that Islam speaks off, repeatedly mentions how people will be in eternal regret and blame themself only.
Nix said:
Christian answer: no
Muslim answer: yes
Islam is simply more old-fashioned than Christianity, despite being the "newest" of the three Abrahamic religions. Which is pretty much par for the course considering it borrows much more from Judaism than from Christianity.
Edit: well obviously there are moderates like the poster above me, but I'm pretty sure the Qur'an states that no non-Muslims are allowed into heaven. It doesn't say the nonsense about "convert or die" though.