Islamic Preaching

Sparky__H · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:37

God is all knowing… But does it pass that information to its children..
God is all forgiving.. Should you forgive a murderer who took your children…
God sees all… It is the willingness to act that defines someone…
God is infallible.. Then why is the world so wrong…
God is love.. Then why is the human heart full of pain and loneliness…

“Man is afraid of the dark so he scrapes away at the edges of it”

Religion is the last great darkness that is left for man to overcome

e36Adz · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:41

robmiller said:
Edit: well obviously there are moderates like the poster above me, but I'm pretty sure the Qur'an states that no non-Muslims are allowed into heaven. It doesn't say the nonsense about "convert or die" though.

Funny how you would regard me as a moderate simply because I didnt give the answer you expected. If the Quran says no non-muslims are allowed into heaven, please provide proof and dont speculate.

"Verily those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), the Christians and the Sabians any who believe In Allah and the last day, and work righteousness shall have their reward with their Lord; They will not be overcome by fear nor grief (Quran 2:62).

I repeat again, muslims believe any person who ever followed one of the prophets to have been on the straight path. Then you have people who may never come across Islam, therefore the decision is with God alone.

Nix · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:44

Fairy Tales + Chinese Whispers = Religion

asim · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:46

e36Adz said:
Funny how you would regard me as a moderate simply because I didnt give the answer you expected. If the Quran says no non-muslims are allowed into heaven, please provide proof and dont speculate.

"Verily those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), the Christians and the Sabians any who believe In Allah and the last day, and work righteousness shall have their reward with their Lord; They will not be overcome by fear nor grief (Quran 2:62).

I repeat again, muslims believe any person who ever followed one of the prophets to have been on the straight path. Then you have people who may never come across Islam, therefore the decision is with God alone.

Good point. I wanted to raise this but could not be bothered looking it up lol. I let people think what they want aslong as it isnt hurting anyone because at the end of the day God will be the only one to judge. Just gotta make sure to live your own life as a good person. I should really work on that

e36Adz · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:49

Nix said:
Fairy Tales + Chinese Whispers = Religion

Thats great, but before you come to such conclusions you should take the time to read the Bible, the Quran and other religious scriptures and THEN make up your mind

gary996 · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:50

I'm a non believer. I think you make your own mistakes along the way and thats it. I believe the Bible is a fairy tale like all other fairy tales and the story just got exagerated (chinese whispers) along with time. The church has covered up a lot of things over time.

Sparky__H · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:51

But what if there is no judgement?
What if evil goes unpunished and gracious goodwill goes unrewarded?

Would you as a person be ready to live in a world like that or would you rather end your existence rather then suffer the indignity of not been able to believe actions had a meaning.

How would you deal with life if the end of that life came to the same conclusion if you were good or bad?

Nix · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:54

e36Adz said:
Thats great, but before you come to such conclusions you should take the time to read the Bible, the Quran and other religious scriptures and THEN make up your mind

Fairy tales.

TBH I have bigger fish to fry than wasting my life away with this crap. At the end of the day, I'm going to live my life as best I can and be happy and content doing it. Any divine spirit who chooses to judge ill of me because I didn't sing his praises doesn't deserve my praise.

If God exists, he will not be as pathetic to want everyone to sing his praises all day everyday - he is not an egotistical teenager. Living a long, happy, peaceful life is all any God should want.

Religion in itself is a pure answer to some deep rooted questions we all have, but organised religion has corrupt this. Organised religion is wrong.

robmiller · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:54

e36Adz said:
Funny how you would regard me as a moderate simply because I didnt give the answer you expected. If the Quran says no non-muslims are allowed into heaven, please provide proof and dont speculate.

"Verily those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), the Christians and the Sabians any who believe In Allah and the last day, and work righteousness shall have their reward with their Lord; They will not be overcome by fear nor grief (Quran 2:62).

I repeat again, muslims believe any person who ever followed one of the prophets to have been on the straight path. Then you have people who may never come across Islam, therefore the decision is with God alone.

They still have to accept Allah, though :confused:

That's exactly what I said. It doesn't matter if you have to convert after you die, you still have to accept Allah to get into heaven.

Although I guess if the big man actually existed and actually spoke to you then you'd have to believe he existed

Shame it'll never happen.

e36Adz · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:55

gary996 said:
I'm a non believer. I think you make your own mistakes along the way and thats it. I believe the Bible is a fairy tale like all other fairy tales and the story just got exagerated (chinese whispers) along with time. The church has covered up a lot of things over time.

When you say your a 'non believer' do you mean you dont believe in any religion, or that you dont believe in God?

e36Adz · 19 Apr 2006 at 02:58

robmiller said:
They still have to accept Allah, though That's exactly what I said. It doesn't matter if you have to convert after you die, you still have to accept Allah to get into heaven.

Although I guess if the big man actually existed and actually spoke to you then you'd have to believe he existed Shame it'll never happen.

Allah is the arabic word used for 'God'. The arab christians use the word 'Allah' for God aswel, I think when you hear the word Allah mentioned you automatically think its a different God or something? We believe in only One God, thats the God of Jesus pbuh, Moses pbuh, Noah pbuh etc

Nix · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:02

e36Adz said:
Allah is the arabic word used for 'God'. The arab christians use the word 'Allah' for God aswel, I think when you hear the word Allah mentioned you automatically think its a different God or something? We believe in only One God, thats the God of Jesus pbuh, Moses pbuh, Noah pbuh etc

All religion is fundimentially the same, they're all striving to answer the same questions.

What I don't understand is why the followers have to hate those of other faiths. We is it that under Shi'ah (sp?) law, in Afganistan IIRC, they were going to execute some man because he chose to convert to Christianity? This is were organised religion becomes a load of horse ****.

Sparky__H · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:03

Nix said:
All religion is fundimentially the same, they're all striving to answer the same questions.

What I don't understand is why the followers have to hate those of other faiths. We is it that under Shi'ah (sp?) law, in Afganistan IIRC, they were going to execute some man because he chose to convert to Christianity? This is were organised religion becomes a load of horse ****.

power and control

Nix · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:05

Sparky__H said:
power and control

Which is why I refuse to follow ANY organised religion.

Faith is a personal thing anyway, I don't need some religious doctrine telling me how to do it. If I want to find God, I'm perfectly able to do it myself.

e36Adz · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:08

Sparky__H said:
But what if there is no judgement?
What if evil goes unpunished and gracious goodwill goes unrewarded?

Would you as a person be ready to live in a world like that or would you rather end your existence rather then suffer the indignity of not been able to believe actions had a meaning.

How would you deal with life if the end of that life came to the same conclusion if you were good or bad?

I would deal with life the same way im dealing with it now. By treating people the same way I wish to be treated, by praying, fasting, giving to charity, I have not lost out on anything. Btw not saying that I do all those things but thats pretty much what a muslims life involves. Thats where Id like to be someday God willing.

e36Adz · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:12

Nix said:
All religion is fundimentially the same, they're all striving to answer the same questions.

What I don't understand is why the followers have to hate those of other faiths. We is it that under Shi'ah (sp?) law, in Afganistan IIRC, they were going to execute some man because he chose to convert to Christianity? This is were organised religion becomes a load of horse ****.

I dont hate people of other faiths

I agree with you that a lot of things going on out there are messed up, really messed up, and a lot of things are done in the name of Islam which the religion itself doesnt condone. Dont know how good you are at history but there are examples eg Spain under muslim rule for over 700 years, where muslims and christians lived together in peace, under islamic rule. Trust me theres some good there aswel but you just dont hear about it as much.

Sparky__H · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:14

e36Adz said:
I would deal with life the same way im dealing with it now. By treating people the same way I wish to be treated, by praying, fasting, giving to charity, I have not lost out on anything. Btw not saying that I do all those things but thats pretty much what a muslims life involves. Thats where Id like to be someday God willing.

But that is where life becomes more complicated, your life is affected by the actions of other mortal men not by some powerless god.

The food you eat, the car you drive, the clothes you wear, the house you live in, the taxes you pay, the people you meet and how long you live are controlled by other men not god.

Everything in your life is the will of man, his will forced onto the world he inhabits.

e36Adz · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:32

Sparky__H said:
But that is where life becomes more complicated, your life is affected by the actions of other mortal men not by some powerless god.

You are presuming that you are right here, but you cant be sure about that. I believe in God without any shadow of a doubt, so yes obviously I will try and live my life accordingly. Same way any person would do anything, based on their own judgement and what they believe to be true.

e36Adz · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:35

Nix said:
If I want to find God....

you can start here...

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

3 different english translations of the Quran for you there, its only 114 chapters thats all of it, if you have time to spare I urge you to read it with an open mind

Sparky__H · 19 Apr 2006 at 03:41

e36Adz said:
You are presuming that you are right here, but you cant be sure about that. I believe in God without any shadow of a doubt, so yes obviously I will try and live my life accordingly. Same way any person would do anything, based on their own judgement and what they believe to be true.

I know that tomorrow if I get hit by another car on my way to work that god had no part in it.
I know that the driver woke up late because he had a few drinks the night before and forgot to set his alarm clock.
I know he rushed to get out the door forgetting to put on a tie when attempting to half kiss his wife and stuff some stale bread into his half open mouth.
I know he was not paying attention when he pulled out on the kumberstone turnoff because his boss is going to shout at him for being late for the 5th time in 3 weeks.

The time the train arrives at the station.
The way your breakfast tastes in the morning.
The way your wife smells when she’s asleep.
The bullet that kills a helpless child in a futile struggle agenised a powerful dictator

all has one thing in common:

The will of a human was the cause of its existence.