It's All About Image
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How so, when we are animals? None of this "evolved out of it" crap, we are animals. Period. Always have, always will.
Our behaviour for things like courting are still dominated by animal instincts. We all find ourselves attracted to physically attractive people. Not what the media defines as "attractive", but we are all attracted to such things as facial symmetry, etc. as it is a sign of good health.
Then there is the actual behaviour side after the initial attraction. Everywhere you see it, girls want a man who can stand on his own, is possibly cocky or slightly arrogant, knows what he wants, and represents a strong set of genes. Men want a girl to look after them and the obvious. Both will tell you otherwise because we just don't "get it." Women often say their ideal partner would be someone to listen to them, be polite, yada. Men may say "someone who gives bj's at the click of my fingers" or similar to what the women say they want. The reason for all the confusion is it is our instinct telling us what we want, and we can't always understand it.
I didn't say that we weren't animals. I just said that the animal kingdom is retarded. Ok, to be more politically correct, if animals were treated the same as humans on a person to person level, their level of intellect is so far beneath our own that they cannot even maintain a conversation with us. I am sure that they can communicate with their own species, but at least we are able to learn each others' languages.
Emotion / behaviour is not always governed by intelligence, so you are right, we can be just as bad as animals. If you define our feelings of attraction purely in animal terms, then you can say that image is not intellect based. However, I for one don't want to find just a pretty girl, but a girl I find attractive AND isn't a complete moron. And on that matter, I will judge on what comes out of her mouth, not on what she wears, unless she has particularly eccentric tastes (which nowadays is harder to do without significant effort) which would probably be something to discuss in any way.
Most of this "image" thing is psychological. I'm no expert, but from what I understand, woman want guys who look like they take care of themselves (physically and mentally). Everything else is personal taste. So as long as you get a hair cut, don't get too overweight, don't smell too bad, and are able to talk to a girl, there is a good chance she will like you. None of this over the top BS, spending thousands on beauty products, perfectionism, or alternatively, crowd conforming, macho crap. That is in *your* mind, and proof of concept : everyone has different opinions on what that perfectionism is. Therefore the concept *must* be flawed.
Its like this - either you are confident and have your own ideas about what is cool, or you don't and you rely on everyone around you to prop you up. Doesn't make either one better or worse. I just happen to consider myself seperate from the crowd, and although a lot of what I wear/think might be considered esoteric, I don't mind, because I am not a crowd follower. Other people will look down on me for my lack of "social status/social intelligence", but I am not interested.
And that is why I consider myself a geek, and independant. Possibly an ignorant independant, but anyway
Well said, and I whole heartedly agree, except for the last part.. there must be countless numbers of people with almost exactly the same mindset 
These people are your herd. (and fwiw.. I'm in that same herd 
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These people are your herd. (and fwiw.. I'm in that same herd )Well said, and I whole heartedly agree, except for the last part.. there must be countless numbers of people with almost exactly the same mindset
Well, as long as I can justify to myself that I don't want to be an independant because I am on some kind of "rebel without a cause" personality defining crusade.
Nearly every single "movement" has been by someone who just thought for themselves. That is all. Their ideas are so influential that others take it up, and then more people, and thats how it becomes popular. But originally, these people aren't really that popular, their ideas are rejected by mainstream specifically because they *aren't* mainstream. Just look at the number of punks/goths around these days. I went to Spiders in Hull once, dressed in a shirt, and had the pee taken out of me by goths - the irony of the statement! I thought these people were supposed to be the people who didn't look at what you wore and dressed to shock and because it was what they felt comfortable in!
If you like tattoos, great! Get a nice one that you will enjoy for the rest of your life. I myself cannot think of a really good tattoo that I would like to keep on my body for such a long time, mostly because I am constantly in flux. Like crazy music? Thats great too! All of your tastes are good.
But don't come in with absolutes saying "so and so band is crap". Come in and say "*I* think so and so band is crap" and say *why*. Taste is a really personal thing.
whilst I agree with you, for most people that's implied anyway (except when Carzy says it, but that's because when he says a band is crap, they actually are
)I also don't think that you should have to justify your taste - to say that you don't like something is always enough
Again people seem to be taking a very hard line stance on all of this. I think its much simpler then people have been saying. Its not about fitting in, or not fitting in. Its about not caring whether you do or not. I have many clothes that other people wear, I shop in many of the same shops! I play many computer games that other people play....the fact is though that I don't care whether other people dress the same or play the same games. I just enjoy it and so do it. There are SOME people around who don't follow this. They do things not because they enjoy it, but because they feel the need to fit in, or to follow a group view of being 'cool' manly' or whatever. Whether they do this because they enjoying fitting in or because they feel the need to be a part of a 'flock' I don't know.
I just think it is a shame that some people feel it is more important to meet some arbitrary view at the cost of their own enjoyment. Again the pub and drinks is a good example, if you like drinking wine then who cares what it looks like?? If you like wine then drink the stuff, I don't like alcohol at all and so when I'm in the pub I don't touch the stuff. I don't care if people thing this is 'weird' or 'girly' or whatever they decide to call me. I don't like it and don't feel the need to do it just because other view it as non-normal.
I just think it is a shame that some people feel it is more important to meet some arbitrary view at the cost of their own enjoyment. Again the pub and drinks is a good example, if you like drinking wine then who cares what it looks like?? If you like wine then drink the stuff, I don't like alcohol at all and so when I'm in the pub I don't touch the stuff. I don't care if people thing this is 'weird' or 'girly' or whatever they decide to call me. I don't like it and don't feel the need to do it just because other view it as non-normal.
Taste is a personal thing, but every bodies taste is influenced by others. As you grow up (and also to a slightly lesser extent, all throughout life,) you learn from your piers what is good/bad. I like drum and bass. I've been a bass head since I joined high school, because it was what just about everyone at my school listened to. Before high school I was rarely interested/exposed to music other than kids shows jingles. Nearly 10 years after leaving high school, I like all sorts, but still have a special appreciation for d'n'b. It could well be I just like d'n'b, but it's more likely that I like d'n'b because I spent 4 years in a school full of bass heads.
Discovery channel had an interesting advert a while back. It was a short blurb about the chap who invented the umbrella. How he was laughed about (literally) as he walked along the road in the rain, with this strange wax coated parasol held aloft. Everyone else was getting soaked, he remained dry, yet he was being laughed at. Nowadays, it's difficult to walk through town in the rain without someone poking your eye out with their brolly. This shows one of two things:
1. The mainstream, as you mentioned, almost dictating a persons outlook.
2. "People" are slowly influenced into changing their minds.
And on a sidenote, the advert was also good because it opened with "My name is.. <insert name>" and at the end, it says "My name is forgotten, but it does not matter, for my invention the Umbrella lives on." and I *always* forgot his name.
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Your wife is 100% right, in your opinion do you not think it looks ridiculous? Not having a go just would like to know.
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I quiete often drink wine in the pub, when ive had enough beer it is nice to chill out too lol. Most of my mates are like wtf, but who cares lol, if i feel like a wine ill have one!
I dont care what i wear either, i mean i wear what i like to wear at that point in time. I mean i even went to asda in my dressing gown the other week!, WHY THE HECK NOT !
I dont care what i wear either, i mean i wear what i like to wear at that point in time. I mean i even went to asda in my dressing gown the other week!, WHY THE HECK NOT !
Taste is a personal thing, but every bodies taste is influenced by others. As you grow up (and also to a slightly lesser extent, all throughout life,) you learn from your piers what is good/bad. I like drum and bass. I've been a bass head since I joined high school, because it was what just about everyone at my school listened to. Before high school I was rarely interested/exposed to music other than kids shows jingles. Nearly 10 years after leaving high school, I like all sorts, but still have a special appreciation for d'n'b. It could well be I just like d'n'b, but it's more likely that I like d'n'b because I spent 4 years in a school full of bass heads.
Discovery channel had an interesting advert a while back. It was a short blurb about the chap who invented the umbrella. How he was laughed about (literally) as he walked along the road in the rain, with this strange wax coated parasol held aloft. Everyone else was getting soaked, he remained dry, yet he was being laughed at. Nowadays, it's difficult to walk through town in the rain without someone poking your eye out with their brolly. This shows one of two things:
1. The mainstream, as you mentioned, almost dictating a persons outlook.
2. "People" are slowly influenced into changing their minds.
And on a sidenote, the advert was also good because it opened with "My name is.. <insert name>" and at the end, it says "My name is forgotten, but it does not matter, for my invention the Umbrella lives on." and I *always* forgot his name.
Well, thats what patents are for, ego and money
On the subject of taste... well my parents used to influence my music, but at school I didn't really have that close friendship with many people, I pretty much did my own thing, listened to whatever music I liked (my first album was Pet Shop Boys - VERY bought for me by an uncle) but eventually I listened to lots of different kinds of music and my tastes developed without being too heavily influenced by external forces.
But we aren't only talking about taste here... unless taste extends to behaviour...
They are closely related. What taste we have heavily influences our behaviour in many cases.
A lot of what people choose to wear/listen to can also be what affects their choice of general behaviour. From communication (slang/slur/"dude"/"blud" etc.) even to how they walk.Perhaps he is drinking wine because he prefers wine to beer?
He is then in a group of people who prefer to do that but it's a long way from the original discussion.
They are closely related. What taste we have heavily influences our behaviour in many cases.
They might influence it, but I always consider taste to be quite conscious, whereas behaviour is clearly a matter of conscious and subconscious.