#ItsWhatWeDo

[platypus]

Recently there has been criticism of the police service in England & Wales, has this had any negative effect on how you view Scottish police officers? *

Actually, is the police service separate then?

 

[Burnsy2023]

ASP can be used but is a close in tactical option. PAVA gives you more distance as does Taser but not all cops carry one. Knife defence training is almost non existent as in hand to hand. An assailant can close a gap very quickly.

If that scenario, anything and everything is justifiable to disarm and apprehend him. If that means the TV getting launched at him then fair enough.

Indeed, most of the tactical options you have, be that ASP, Taser, CS or whatever require space to use them. If he ran at you, it's a serious brown trouser moment as your options are so limited.

 

[DailyGeek]

Indeed, most of the tactical options you have, be that ASP, Taser, CS or whatever require space to use them. If he ran at you, it's a serious brown trouser moment as your options are so limited.

Jesus, and you don't get taught any defense techniques for things like this as standard? There are some police officers that I train alongside and I always just assumed it was to add to their exisiting training, not because they don't have it!

If he ran at you, there's a number of things you could do with just a little training - I mean it's still terrifying obviously, but even with two months under my belt I would have a touch more confidence than trying to throw a TV at the guy Using it as a shield would be a good start.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Jesus, and you don't get taught any defense techniques for things like this as standard? There are some police officers that I train alongside and I always just assumed it was to add to their exisiting training, not because they don't have it!

If he ran at you, there's a number of things you could do with just a little training - I mean it's still terrifying obviously, but even with two months under my belt I would have a touch more confidence than trying to throw a TV at the guy Using it as a shield would be a good start.

The only real martial we get taught is origami with all the paperwork we need to deal with.

 

[Andy90]

Actually, is the police service separate then?

In effect yes.

Police Officers in England and Wales have no powers as Police Officers in Scotland (well that is a little simplistic since there are certain cross border powers in certain circumstances). The same exists for Scottish Officers in England and Wales. In effect they revert to Common Law powers same as any other member of the public.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Jesus, and you don't get taught any defense techniques for things like this as standard? There are some police officers that I train alongside and I always just assumed it was to add to their exisiting training, not because they don't have it!

If he ran at you, there's a number of things you could do with just a little training - I mean it's still terrifying obviously, but even with two months under my belt I would have a touch more confidence than trying to throw a TV at the guy Using it as a shield would be a good start.

There is no viable defence to a knife attack. Even Martial Arts disciplines will teach you that. Knife? Run.

There are not a number of things you can do that involve engaging in hand to hand. The number 1 and primary goal is to get away. Beyond that, assuming no escape possible, you would be going for the incapacitant and hoping for the best. Even then it would be deploy and tactically retreat and contain.

TV as a shield? Absolute bonkers. Large, slow and cumbersome.

Please, for your own sake, DO NOT allow Martial Arts training to give you more confidence versus a knife. Even a decades experienced top tier martial artist would not confidently engage a knife wielding maniac. There is a reason most (all?) UK Police constabularies will not teach any kind of defence versus a knife. It's because it is entirely pointless and giving someone the thought that it is an option to defend is more dangerous than just instilling the retreat/contain mentality. For a laugh do the paper suit and marker pen exercise. You wear a paper tabard, give your would be assailant a red marker pen. Let him go at you, you try defend. See how many red marks you end up with on you.

 

[DailyGeek]

There is no viable defence to a knife attack. Even Martial Arts disciplines will teach you that. Knife? Run.

There are not a number of things you can do that involve engaging in hand to hand. The number 1 and primary goal is to get away. Beyond that, assuming no escape possible, you would be going for the incapacitant and hoping for the best. Even then it would be deploy and tactically retreat and contain.

TV as a shield? Absolute bonkers. Large, slow and cumbersome.

Please, for your own sake, DO NOT allow Martial Arts training to give you more confidence versus a knife. Even a decades experienced top tier martial artist would not confidently engage a knife wielding maniac.

Run where? Into the wall? I'm not suggesting it endows people with mega-knife-disarm skills, but Krav definitely has a whole load of elements specifically to deal with knife attacks. To say there is no viable defense is plain wrong - although it should be a last resort, which in a scenario such as the one shown seems to be getting close.
Yes, run away is the ideal first choice, but there are a large number of techniques for this sort of situation. "Going for it and hoping for the best" is great, having some training is simply going to give you the best chance. There's a reason law-enforcement and military establishments across the world train such techniques. That the UK does not doesn't surprise me entirely, but you've got that scenario and few, if any, tools to deal with the dude 8ft away with knife next to your only exit.

TV as a shield was a joke, obviously! Same as the tactical vase