I've pulled the trigger...

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So I finally got around to pulling the trigger on my new build. Not all components but just the first few....which are:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £689.03 (includes shipping: £14.10)​
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I think I've decided on the final PSU which will be the Seasonic 1000w Prime Platinum. Although I am debating whether to stick with the 1000w Dark Power Pro by Be Quiet but looking at cable management and advice from others on here...the former seems the better option for a few quid difference.

The CPU will be the Intel i9 9900K...so that's decided.

The other big component I am yet undecided on is the Graphics card. It will most certainly be an nVidia Geforce RTX 2080ti. I am looking for silence. As quiet as possible without going to a fully water cooled system. I have been looking at the Gigabyte Aorus RTX 2080 ti xTreme Waterforce 11G AIO but at £1600 its a small car and I am struggling with that in my head even though it is within my budget. Air cooled seems to be the more appropriate option but I am concerned about noise levels. Can anyone provide advice on what may be the best card for this while keeping noise levels low? A lot of reviews point at the Asus Strix 2080 ti OC for being a good card but it runs hot and my concern is that will bring fan noise. The Gigabyte Aorus equivalent is said to have issues pushing its hot air back in to the case which again would increase temperatures and therefore fan noise. So I'm stuck with which way to go. Any advice appreciated here? Any reviews showing Dba output or videos would be great too!

After this I am down to memory and peripheral items which I think I have a grasp of but will come back.

Thanks in advance
 
By all means try and identify the quietest air-cooled cards. But it's not all about paying over the top for silence. It's about tuning.

Undervolting the card can still can get very good performance, sometimes same or better due to temperatures and how the GPU boosts or lowers based on that. Then there's less heat to deal with and fans don't have to spin as much.

So basically play about with Afterburner and a custom fan profile, find the max fan RPM you are happy with while gaming. And then set about to undervolt and overclock accordingly.

Did this with two cards recently (Pascal but same applies to Turing cards), a GTX 1070 and 1060.

GTX 1070 reached 1936MHz and 60C in Unigine Heaven at stock. Undervolted it to 1.0v and got it to 2025MHz and 55C, and quieter.

GTX 1060 reached 1836MHz and 72C in Unigine Heaven at stock. Undervolted to 0.981v and got it to 1961MHz and 62C, and quieter.

As for quieter and cooler cards than the Gigabyte Aorus Extreme, out of the box, check out Hardware Unboxed's review:

@ 7:39

I'd love to see more cards like Inno3D X3 tested because historically their number "3" variants have had beefy coolers that also ran very cool and quiet on older series, without costing as much as other brands.
 
Thank you @Danny75 for the advice. I've actually found both my previously mentioned cards elsewhere for much less, although they're presently not in stock anywhere....the AIO is in stock at OC but its £200 more expensive than anywhere...supply and demand inflation I guess :(

Having confirmed compatibility of the memory, I've now ordered the following for the build also:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £590.44 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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Just need to pin down the graphics card.....and make a decision on a monitor. Currently run 2 x Dell 1080P IPS monitors and an iMac between them. I will be replacing the iMac with either a 4k monitor or a good 1440 gaming monitor....can't decide. Any tips? I'd really like to just keep 1 Dell monitor for coding on and then replace the other with a good gaming monitor and the iMac with a 4k screen too.....not sure if the budget will stretch there yet though.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Also boost longer and faster then any air version
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Not necessarily.

Longer doesn't come into it, for starters. After power, only thing that determines if it maintains max frequency permanently in games/benches is the temperature zone. Tune a bit and the card will always stay below the next temperature zone that would make frequency drop. My GTX 1070 has been stuck on 2025MHz in games since tuning it.

Faster would depend on the actual chip. You can have a situation where an air-cooled card is at 65C and a liquid-cooled at 45C, but the chip is better on the air card, and makes up for the 20/24MHz drop by overclocking better with less voltage.

The only way you'd be assured that liquid was faster would be with two practically identical chips, to help you squeeze that 20/24MHz extra. Does it make a difference in games? Nope. But it might to your wallet.
 
@Danny75

My old Strix 1070 underwater hits 2.18ghz and held top spot for non LN2 card on benchmarks for over a year. Asus liked that quite a bit :D
Pushed 2.2 bit would fail last 5 seconds of any benchmark which was frustrating as hell and with no PCB mods .

And also, water in theory would be quieter , specially if you replaced both fans with silent wings . Think quietest Turing cards are around 30db . Granted haven't heard pump sound of Turing Waterford , not sure if cooler master still the OEM for it .
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@Danny75

My old Strix 1070 underwater hits 2.18ghz and held top spot for non LN2 card on benchmarks for over a year. Asus liked that quite a bit :D
Pushed 2.2 bit would fail last 5 seconds of any benchmark which was frustrating as hell and with no PCB mods .
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Nice. You didn't mention which card it lost top spot to?


orbitalwalsh said:
And also, water in theory would be quieter , specially if you replaced both fans with silent wings . Think quietest Turing cards are around 30db . Granted haven't heard pump sound of Turing Waterford , not sure if cooler master still the OEM for it .
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In theory yes, but below a certain DB it's basically inaudible anyway.

My points still stand, though. Nobody can guarantee that a liquid card will be faster than any air version and boost length is irrelevant.
 
Danny75 said:
Nice. You didn't mention which card it lost top spot to?
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@orbitalwalsh

Nevermind, I found it.

Time Spy:

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/1412464

Jiccman1965's card also holds the HWBOT GTX 1070 record:

https://hwbot.org/submission/3774042_jiccman1965_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_1070_80577_marks

And he used air:


VGA details
  • Model: GeForce GTX 1070 (GP104) NVIDIA Unlocked: cores/shaders unlocked
  • Cooling: Air (Stock)
  • Speed: 2,126MHz (+41.17%) / 2,200MHz (+10.00%)
https://hwbot.org/submission/3774042_jiccman1965_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_1070_80577_marks
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jiccman1965/GTX 1070/AIR/80577

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...ry-3DMark-05?p=8053068&viewfull=1#post8053068
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QED.
 
Thanks for all the advice so far :) I've now finished ordering all the parts for the PC build as below

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £3,602.59 (includes shipping: £15.30)​
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I may add a 2nd HDD and possibly a 3rd HDD depending on how my budget goes but that comes last.

My next target is the monitor. Having read a bit more and appreciate the difference between TN, VA and IPS panels fully, I think I can get away with a TN panel for my main monitor as I do sit directly in front of the main screen. I am thinking a 4k TN panel with a 1ms refresh rate connected via display port. I am unsure what to buy as yet. Has anyone got any advice?
 
Danny75 said:
@orbitalwalsh

Nevermind, I found it.

Time Spy:

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/1412464

Jiccman1965's card also holds the HWBOT GTX 1070 record:

https://hwbot.org/submission/3774042_jiccman1965_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_1070_80577_marks

And he used air:






QED.
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Air... would have been an Aorus card . And wouldn't of held 2.2ghz for very long . Know that card inside out. Also TineSpy reporting it at 1.7ghz

Graphics Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
Vendor
Giga-Byte Technology Co., Ltd.
# of cards
1
SLI / CrossFire
Off
Memory
8,192 MB
Core clock
1,727 MHz
Memory bus clock
2,302 MHz
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Mines at

Graphics Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
Vendor
Asustek Computer, Inc.
# of cards
1
SLI / CrossFire
Off
Memory
8,192 MB
Core clock
2,152 MHz
Memory bus clock
2,311 MHz
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And I wouldn't be able to beat score due to CPU performance :(

I broke an Aorus 1070 with matching Phanteks block - so upped to a 1080 afterwards :(

@GavBUK

Looks solid, again find fans loud easy to swap out with 120mm silent wings or shadow wings PWM
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Air... would have been an Aorus card . And wouldn't of held 2.2ghz for very long . Know that card inside out. Also TineSpy reporting it at 1.7ghz


And I wouldn't be able to beat score due to CPU performance :(
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Time Spy reported your card's speed as less than 2.18GHz. 2.139GHz actually. Would imagine that's because yours didn't hold 2.18 long. Time Spy also has independent GPU score (Jiccman1965 = 6942 v Orbital = 6933). Even so, none of this is the point despite you wanting to make it the point.

People come here for advice. You could be the top overclocker in the world and still have been wrong in making the claim you did, and in arguing against a simple truth by being selective about presenting what you achieved with a card under water, while omitting that the card that eventually took top spot was on air. And if you do that, especially to someone who isn't sure how much they need to pay for silence/speed; who even mentioned that it was the price of a small car and was looking at other options; it wouldn't matter if you were Shamino, you still need calling out on it.

@GavBUK hope you enjoy the build after taking everything into consideration and apologies for the side-debate.
 
@Danny75

There are cards that achieve higher GPU scores. M4ill being one, and it's underwater .
Cards under water, specially those with custom blocks will often be cooler, quieter, and run fast when overclocked due to heat . If not OCUK and vendors such as and gigabyte/ asus wouldn't push water designs.
Why I pushed AMD for Alphacool blocks for Vega testing year faster launch . Everyone can vouche on here, Vega loves water hands down.

OP also wanted quite .

@Gaverick

Basic reviews on the Waterford, not 2080ti though

https://www.mmorpg.com/mobile/features.cfm?read=13432&game=0&ismb=1

https://www.thestreamingblog.com/gigabyte-aorus-rtx-2080-xtreme-waterforce-review/

Though I am a massive fan of Asus infinity loop 2080ti but costs a bomb !

Owners review on 2080ti, getting fans to max on default is 35db so in line with other flagship cards at max but 20c lower In temps . Why again would say change the fans .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...orus_2080ti_waterforce_aio_first_impressions/
 
orbitalwalsh said:
often be
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You can save the rest as I already know. That's all that was needed v what you actually said earlier, where you were guaranteeing that it would beat any air cooled card. But I repeat myself.

Not my problem if you have trouble acknowledging when a claim is false/very imprecise and jump onto other things. Sure, let's talk about how Vega loves water now. Or how the same chip can gain a bit extra (not much due to Nvidia voltage limitations) by going water. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the help and no problem regarding the side debate...all parts ordered now and slowly arriving....this was my final build:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £4,610.75 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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Although, in the above I list a 16gb Intel Optane...I actually opted for a 64Gb one to support the SSD. I also have another 2Tb Sandisk SSD that is going in the system too but OC don't list the same device. Managed to source the screen for £399 from Amazon on offer and its now back at £489 on Amazon. I got a B Grade Graphics card from OC which saved me £400. A lot of the system is together now...just a few bits to install such as the GFX card and the radiators. I am opting to mount the 360 loop at the front of the case in a pull configuration and the GFX card at the top of the case as that is setup as a push configuration. Hopefully that will give me a degree of balanced airflow.

Thanks again...
 
£280 on a psu? Any reason? Ar eyou planning to get specific sleeved cables or something? Superflower 1000W platinum's were £60 cheaper.
 
@subbytna I got it from another source for £220. That particular brand and model comes highly recommended from several sources both on here and else where plus it has a very stable and consistent output similar to the Superflower that you mention. And it has a 12 year warranty instead of 5 although that wasn't the biggest selling point for me. Hybrid mode is a useful option also considering that I want to get my system as quiet as possible.
 
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