Ivy-e roadmap, confirmed

[Yaayuh!]

The memory overclocking is going to be fun on ivy-e

Still don't understand why intel would release an 8-core in the standard range. They would lose money from the workstation lot buying those instead of the xeons. The 8-core if/when released must be at least £1000.

 

[Kaapstad]

The memory overclocking is going to be fun on ivy-e

Still don't understand why intel would release an 8-core in the standard range. They would lose money from the workstation lot buying those instead of the xeons. The 8-core if/when released must be at least £1000.

The memory will be fun, I will really let rip on the Dominator Platinums.

 

[wolvers]

4930k for me then, better start saving. Should be a good upgrade to the 3820, more cores, better IPC, better IMC (although mine's pretty good ).

Still if the IHS isn't soldered, I may not bother at all!!

 

[FreeStream]

The memory overclocking is going to be fun on ivy-e

Still don't understand why intel would release an 8-core in the standard range. They would lose money from the workstation lot buying those instead of the xeons. The 8-core if/when released must be at least £1000.

Hardly.

The Xeon and i7 prices are the same, give or take and have been for quite a few generations.

ECC memory and compatible motherboards do cost abit more but they arn't going to skimp on ECC if they are doing critical calculations, which you usually are doing with a workstation...

Besides, you can buy a i7-3960X for (using Intel Prices) for $999, an E5-1660 for $1080 and if you REALLY want 8 cores, the E5-24x0 and the E5-26x0 series exist at >$1000 each!!

Anyway, all those chips seem to only last a quarter (Q4 2013 seems to have something new), so I still think IB-E is being skipped.

 

[wolvers]

It's not being skipped, 8Pack confirmed it.

I have to be careful what I say for contractual reason. But there will be IVY-E on X79. Cant give specifics but this is a certainty from last Intel conference in US just completed.

 

[jamiehavok]

The memory overclocking is going to be fun on ivy-e

Still don't understand why intel would release an 8-core in the standard range. They would lose money from the workstation lot buying those instead of the xeons. The 8-core if/when released must be at least £1000.

doh double post, pressed quote instead of edit!

 

[jamiehavok]

The memory overclocking is going to be fun on ivy-e

Still don't understand why intel would release an 8-core in the standard range. They would lose money from the workstation lot buying those instead of the xeons. The 8-core if/when released must be at least £1000.

isnt the whole point of buying a xeon tho so you can have 2 of them in a dual socket motherboard so you can do super fast number crunching? so wouldn't really take money away from the expensive xeon market, the cheaper 1155 single socket less cores xeons (not quite sure why you'd want one over an i7 - maybe they support more ram?) would likely be cheaper than the 8 core consumer i7 anyway as i cant find any single socket 2011 motherboards that support xeon?

 

[Saundie]

The lack of an 8 core i7 is quite disappointing, as it was one of the reasons I went for a socket 2011 setup over socket 1155. I guess my best chance is to try to pick up a used 8 core Xeon.

i cant find any single socket 2011 motherboards that support xeon?

Although it doesn't really make a difference, the DX79SR has two Xeons listed as supported CPUs, so I would expect any socket 2011 CPU would work.

 

[jamiehavok]

The lack of an 8 core i7 is quite disappointing, as it was one of the reasons I went for a socket 2011 setup over socket 1155. I guess my best chance is to try to pick up a used 8 core Xeon.

Although it doesn't really make a difference, the DX79SR has two Xeons listed as supported CPUs, so I would expect any socket 2011 CPU would work.

oh ok so will a xeon work with any socket 2011 board? allthough youd still be better off with a 3930k as you cant overclock xeons i dont think,

 

[wolvers]

You can OC anything on X79 thanks to the BCLK straps.

 

[pgi947]

You can OC anything on X79 thanks to the BCLK straps.

Straps are locked on Xeons too unfortunately, strictly base clocking only which on a bad day could be as little as 103-104mhz.

I'd imagine the enthusiast dual socket boards (SRX etc..) have had dire sales compared to 1366 due to this.

 

[wolvers]

Really? Bummer!!

 

[pgi947]

Yep

Intel really locked down Xeons this time around.

Imagine the bench scores you'd hit with 32 threads humming along at 4.5ghz+

 

[ubersonic]

As said in the other thread, these are leaked roadmaps.

You mean the other thread where I linked you confirmation?

What I find the most interesting here is that the 3820 is being replaced by a 'K' series chip, fully unlocked multiplier on everything IB-E by the looks of it

Not that the 3820 being limited to 5.2-5.3GHz was really a devastating issue though

 

[pgi947]

Nope but I'd imagine being forced to use straps to hit those speeds was off putting to some due to the memory tweaks required when moving strap

I didn't mind, if anything the 3820 stopped me being so lazy with clocks

 

[smilertoo]

All they need to do to make a consumer 8core un-intresting for servers is limit the cache .

 

[Alkalinepro5]

So the 4930k will be 6-cores again?

I'm thinking of investing in a new rig around Q3 2013. Ideally something along the lines of;

Ivy-E (hoping for 8-core >_<)
GTX 880/ Rad 8970

I think 8-core will be required in the not so distant future since the next generation of consoles both come equipped with 8-core CPU's! Meaning the majority of next gen gaming engines will be built from the ground up with 8-core configurations in mind.

I hope Intel stop being lazy sometime soon, and stop bringing mundane products to the table (looking at you Ivybridge/Haswell!), and instead focus efforts on beefing up there top end to impress once more. 3-5% increase in performance every year isn't exactly impressive....

 

[ubersonic]

All they need to do to make a consumer 8core un-intresting for servers is limit the cache .

Or just limit it so you can only run a single processor like the Xeon W3xx0 series.

I think 8-core will be required in the not so distant future since the next generation of consoles both come equipped with 8-core CPU's! Meaning the majority of next gen gaming engines will be built from the ground up with 8-core configurations in mind.

Im not sure about the architecture that will be in the new consoles but AMD's current CPU's are not true 8 core processors just CPU's capable of handling 8 threads like Intel's i7's (though they do handle it better than the i7's even if per core performance is lacking). Piledriver doesn't have 8 separate cores it has 4 separate "modules" each consisting of two cores and shared cache/FPU. To use a simple analogy an 8 core Piledriver CPU is more like 4x dual core CPU's than it is like an 8 core Xeon.

 

[Besty]

S. 3-5% increase in performance every year isn't exactly impressive....

You are missing a piece of the jigsaw here though and that is power consumption.

At the high-end our rigs are already running around 1KW-1.2KW from the wall, there is no further headroom.

In order for Intel to go 8 core, the power consumption needs to come down by a fair chunk.

Ivy Bridge E should give us a slight performance bump with a 25% power drop under load, this is a major advance.

If the new GPU's from AMD/NV achieve the same, we are looking at sub 800W from the wall for slightly higher performance.

Personally, I would be happy with the power drop and higher per clock performance, not more cores but i doubt we will see the latter.

What it might give us though is a slightly higher overclock limit due to the power drop and die shrink, we could be hitting 5.5-6GHZ with these chips for short benches.

I actually find myself wanting lower power consumption/heat production these days as well as the higher performance. I have owned too many hot running parts in the past 10 years and they have not been worth the hassle.

 

[Martini1991]

I think your power consumption is massively over the top there besty.
You can get away with an 800W with a 3960x OC'ed and two Titans in SLI.