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Ivy fail

the_director said:
Your last motherboard has lasted 5 years or so, meaning that it isn't neccesary to upgrade every socket.

I see your point, but as CPU designs change and new chipsets / features are added I don't see how one motherboard to accomodate new technology without a major redesign - i.e. making them modular.

Perhaps that is a good idea, you buy a base motherboard with VRMs etc and then upgrade it in modules as and when needed. However, this is probably more expensive and less practical than the current system.

Haswell is still a year away - possibly more - so I do not see the point in waiting, especially when Ivy / Sandy users can happily sit out that socket as even if it is a massive leap forward there is no guarentee that games / software will even be using all of the grunt available currently at that point.

I fully expect to keep my Ivy build for a long time.
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I've put off upgrading for some time now, I plan to get a 660 when they are released and don't want the rest of the system bottlenecking, so it's on the cards, just wanted to see where the future is heading and it seems closed roads are likely and it's been that way IMO since the 775.

I think what will happen is I'll pick up a 2500k and decide on a mobo, any suggestions on the chipset, it's mainly for gaming, though sli is not important.
 
dokko said:
Complaining, right. Bit defensive aren't you? I cannot see why since I'm merely weighing up my options while taking in to account future upgrades, thought that was general practise round here, didn't used to be seen as complaining, used to be seen as sensible planning/purchasing. :(
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I didn't mean it to sound too harsh or rude but it's quite hard to explain in text and I apologise for that.

I do think you have had your moneys worth out of you current board though, I think you would be pleasantly surprised by the performance if you did decide now is the time to upgrade:)
 
No bother. Deffo got my money's worth out of my 775 board, 5 years, 3chips and even two types of memory (ddr2 & 3 on p35c ds3r) guess I was spoiled and I'm looking for the same again.:)

Pcie 3.0, any idea if it'll become important, am I right in thinking these new boards are the only ones that do it?
 
I would go for a Z77 board, they are great value - cheaper than the Z68 boards - have a few new features and you could always move to Ivy if they mature / release a second stepping and it becomes worth it - or you need PCI 3.

Currently only monster GPUS benefit from PCI 3 - even then not by much it seems. However, two monster cards in crossfire and PCI 3 probably does make a noticeable impact.
 
dokko said:
No bother. Deffo got my money's worth out of my 775 board, 5 years, 3chips and even two types of memory (ddr2 & 3 on p35c ds3r) guess I was spoiled and I'm looking for the same again.:)

Pcie 3.0, any idea if it'll become important, am I right in thinking these new boards are the only ones that do it?
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Like above, pcie 3.0 is only going to become usable on monster setups I imagine, but there is some nice Z77 boards at a good price and it would be ideal upgrade even if you chose a cheaper SB 2500k would be a massive improvement for you, there shuould be plenty of itchy upgraders next week trying to sell there SB 2500k's:)

It's even a possibility I will pick up a second hand SB instead of IB, more results needed though to make a firm decision, cost vs performance for me as well:)
 
Clock for clock the IB eats up SB in the Shogun 2 CPU test both at 3500MHZ and roughly +10 min and max fps gains with IB!

It is the only benchmark i saw that had pretty huge gains.I reckon it is worth a gamble to get one that might do 4800MHZ surely?


Bit Tech:
The real surprise however came in the Shogun 2: Total War test, where the i7-3770K delivered huge improvements over its predecessor. This is likely the IPC and SSE optimisations at work, with a minimum frame rate of 29fps a 60 per cent increase over the i7-2600K. We were so amazed by this improvement that we went back and re-ran the Sandy Bridge results, only to find our numbers were right. Ivy Bridge really is that much faster in Shogun 2: Total War.
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Clock for clock the IB eats up SB in the Shogun 2 CPU test both at 3500MHZ and roughly +10 min and max fps gains with IB!

It is the only benchmark i saw that had pretty huge gains.I reckon it is worth a gamble to get one that might do 4800MHZ surely?
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Thats a very good indication as Total war is one of the most CPU demanding games there is. Should be in every CPU benchmark setup tbh.

I was also intrigued to see they managed to get their 3570k to 5Ghz on a H100, no mention of temps although their 3770k at 4.8Ghz was in the 90's.
 
DeeJayCee said:
The best OC analysis of IB so far:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge

Not quite sure how this release can be classed a "fail".

4.5GHz on stock volts. Max OC may well not be as good as SB but it depends on what you are looking for out of your system.

Choice is a good thing (why else does AMD exist :p)
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You mean it's one that suits your hopes? Intel loans the major sites chips to review which they expect to get them sent back when they've been finished with. Do you think Intel just send any old chips or the best performing examples they can find?
 
HangTime said:
Because overclocking gives good gains even with non-top air cooling - I don't think I've ever spent more than £20 on a HS&Fan and indeed have achieved >50% overclocks on a couple of stock coolers.
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But what do your temps sit at with those coolers? Plus people are still under the impression that Ivy architecture is as mature as SB architecture...
 
Admiral Huddy said:
..but all the IB reviews I've read today are overclocking using air. Surely there's more headroom with a watercooled system. Your 2500K for example, is watercooled but the reports i've read the 3750 can hit 5GHz on air.
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The ES samples with the Reviewers are rumoured to clock better than retail.
With SB, I've seen people do 5GHZ on air etc.
It's very hit and miss it seems, I'd go with the tried and testing 2500k though.
 
Martini1991 said:
The ES samples with the Reviewers are rumoured to clock better than retail.
With SB, I've seen people do 5GHZ on air etc.
It's very hit and miss it seems, I'd go with the tried and testing 2500k though.
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I've read those rumours, whilst also reading the retail chips were better. The reviews s in general have been really poor IMO. Hardly any clarity or in depth looks at temps / voltages etc.

We'll be better served by forum members posting their own overclocks.
 
dokko said:
I doesn't look good for this release of IB, this place gets moist at the smallest of performance increase, sad to see so many glum faces (well read their words)

So my Q9550 775 setup looks like it will have to remain for a while longer, there is no point going to a 1155 as its dying tech and the new 2011 sounds doomed from the off. I'm not rolling in it, I can't afford to upgrade willy nilly, looks like I'm going to have to wait another year till the next intel release, whatever that is.

Shame AMD can't get it's arse in gear, now would be the perfect time to strike.
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Same chip as mine mate,i may hold out for a bit longer now untill upgrading.
 
I'm still planning on getting a 3770K on its release. Nothing I've read so far suggests that it's beyond my capability to push it to 4.5Ghz on an H100 cooler.

As for Ivy being fail, I think if you take Sandybridge out of the equation, Ivy would be seen as a stonking chip.

Sandy was just so good that people expected the same jump in performance again, which usually doesn't happen on a "tick".
 
Hmm, so what is better:

2700K @ 4.8 Ghz / Maximus IV Extreme-Z
3770K @ 4.5 Ghz / Maximus V Formula

I can buy one today but have to wait for the other ..
 
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