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IvyBridge Is Far Bit Faster than Old I7's!

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So

A while back i had a
i7 920 @ 2.9ghz
12GB ram etc

now i have

i7 3770k @ 3.9ghz
16GB ram

now i know People say there is not much difference between them speed wise, (gaming etc) but this showed me in 100% usage apps it can help a fair bit! (ofc though the stock speeds are different so not 100% side by side testing)

Recoding 8000+ Songs from FLAC to MP3 130kbs (for phone), i accdiently deleted them a while back & recorded the time else where in case i had to do it again.

I7 920 @ 2.9ghz 3 hours
i7 3770k @ 3.9ghz so far 29 minutes! (picture bit old)

im not saying run out and buy one, but showed me there is a little difference & brought a nice smile to my face:D

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Maybe the 3770 has some hardware acceleration for that application
Other then that the difference is too big to be just cpu power difference
 
Sounds legit, IIRC foobar is a front end for lame? and lame is single threaded and favours the latest architecture at the highest speed, if a 3770K can beat a 3930K by over 15% due to an extra 100MHz and higher IPC then it should destroy a 920 running 1GHz slower.
 
Unless the software uses one of the newer extensions SB and IB has brought,it is not only down to the CPU only.

TH tested both iTunes and Lame in 2011:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-architecture-benchmark,2974-11.html

Look at the single core results for the Bloomfield and Sandy Bridge Core i7 when bought are at 3GHZ.

So,no a the IB Core i7 should not "destroy" a Bloomfield Core i7.

The main single thread IPC improvement from Lynnfield to SB was uncore changes,and most of the actual improvement was due to much higher stock clockspeeds and much more agressive Turbo Boost. In some cases,support for newer extensions can lead to a much bigger performance boost.

Also for flac encoding FLACCL uses OpenCL:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18478882

It massively increases the speed at which FLAC files can be encoded.
 
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So,no a the IB Core i7 should not "destroy" a Bloomfield Core i7.

Look at this test: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-19.html

Like I said the stock 3770K is beating the 3930K by over 15% and thats with a 100MHz advantage and the SB-IB bump in ICP (5-10%), with a 1GHz advantage and the Bloomfield-IB bump in IPC (15.5-26.5%) it should be destroying the 920.


Also for flac encoding FLACCL uses OpenCL:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18478882

It massively increases the speed at which FLAC files can be encoded.

He wasn't flac encoding though, he was converting the flacs to mp3's.
 
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Pretty stupid comparisons as people don't compare the old i7's with new i7's, they compare their gaming capability mainly vs i5 2500k and i5 3570, sometimes the i7 3770k but not often, since the i5 3570 is more popular.

As in an OC'd i7 920 is going to performe as well as a i5 3570k.

For video editing and productive stuff alike, newer architecture is going to be more effective considering it has a better clock speed and probably better HT abilility.
 
Look at this test: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-19.html

Like I said the stock 3770K is beating the 3930K by over 15% and thats with a 100MHz advantage and the SB-IB bump in ICP (5-10%), with a 1GHz advantage and the Bloomfield-IB bump in IPC (15.5-26.5%) it should be destroying the 920.




He wasn't flac encoding though, he was converting the flacs to mp3's.

Look at the clock for clock comparisons,I posted. The IPC improvements are not massive under the same OS as even Intel mentioned the same. Even,with a cumalative 15% to 20% increase in IPC and a 30% increase in clockspeed,you will barely get a 50% improvement. OC each to average maximum overclocks and the difference is even less. Here we are seeing something like over three times the speed.

I use foobar2000,which I did not realise the OP was using, and I see no support for AVX either so there are other factors at play here.Moreove,each new windows OS has improved HT support.
 
Hi, yes it will be faster I7 920 @ 2.8GHz / i7 3770k @ 3.9GHz, the 3770k is 1Ghz faster overclock the i7 920 to 3.9GHz and repeat the test.
 
Shock, a 3.9Ghz processor runs faster than one at 2.9Ghz.

At the same clocks the difference wouldn't be huge in most things.

The 3770K is a great processor though, got to be happy with one of them.
 
OP encounters a real world situation where he can come his new i7 against his old one. OP posts the results, and includes notes stating why this isn't a scientific test - just his experience. Everyone then flames him for not ensuring a level playing field and giving results they disagree with. :confused:

Smogsy - nice spot on a very nice increase and, in these days of ever decreasing performance increases, you were definitely right to have a smile on your face when encountering this one. :)
 
OP encounters a real world situation where he can come his new i7 against his old one. OP posts the results, and includes notes stating why this isn't a scientific test - just his experience. Everyone then flames him for not ensuring a level playing field and giving results they disagree with. :confused:

Smogsy - nice spot on a very nice increase and, in these days of ever decreasing performance increases, you were definitely right to have a smile on your face when encountering this one. :)

Surely what you mean is - OP compares apples to oranges, gets lambasted.

If you run a chip that is 1 Tock behind (afaik) at a speed that is 1 GHz slower, then what do you expect?

Ofc I am sure all the posters are very happy for OP and his new found speed, but he has basically made a full platform upgrade (meaning the storage may be a factor as well) and used an inconsistent benchmark scenario.
 
OP encounters a real world situation where he can come his new i7 against his old one. OP posts the results, and includes notes stating why this isn't a scientific test - just his experience. Everyone then flames him for not ensuring a level playing field and giving results they disagree with. :confused:

Smogsy - nice spot on a very nice increase and, in these days of ever decreasing performance increases, you were definitely right to have a smile on your face when encountering this one. :)

Certainly not a scientific test - but a couple of posters have said that it is a single threaded process... looking at the OP screenshots, the CPU is maxed and running at least 6 Instances of the MP3 Convert...

Therefore the gains are going to be fairly pronounced e.g. 8 Threads (4 Physical / 4 Logical) all 1Ghz faster than the old I7.

However....

Based on rough calculations... Old I7 would do 5.55 MP3s/ per thread per minute (8000/180/8), 3770k would be 20 MP3s/per thread per minute (8000/50/8)... almost a 4 Increase in throughput?

It could be something as simple as a new version of Foobar was installed on the new rig, and is configured differently to make better use of SMP.....
 
Look at the clock for clock comparisons,I posted.

I did but their note really relevant hence why I linked a better comparison, the OP is running the 920 at 2.9GHz and the 3770K at 3.9GHz, thats a 1GHz advantage to the newer chip.

However your link does show the SB i7 beating the Bloomfield i7 by a full 15% at the same clock speed which is at the high end of the BF-SB IPC jump (10-15%) so as the BF-IB jump is 15.5%-26.5% if thats also at the high end then IB is 26.5% faster at the same clock speed, factor in that the OP's IB has a 35% clock speed advantage over the BF and it really should be destroying it.

Hell using some basic napkin maths (obv not scientific) if the chip has +26.5% IPC in this specific scenario then its MHz are effectively worth 1.265x what the BF chips are, so a 3.9GHz IB has the effective power of a 4.9GHz BF chip (obviously a very rough calc and only applies to this specific scenario).
 
I did but their note really relevant hence why I linked a better comparison, the OP is running the 920 at 2.9GHz and the 3770K at 3.9GHz, thats a 1GHz advantage to the newer chip.

However your link does show the SB i7 beating the Bloomfield i7 by a full 15% at the same clock speed which is at the high end of the BF-SB IPC jump (10-15%) so as the BF-IB jump is 15.5%-26.5% if thats also at the high end then IB is 26.5% faster at the same clock speed, factor in that the OP's IB has a 35% clock speed advantage over the BF and it really should be destroying it.

Hell using some basic napkin maths (obv not scientific) if the chip has +26.5% IPC in this specific scenario then its MHz are effectively worth 1.265x what the BF chips are, so a 3.9GHz IB has the effective power of a 4.9GHz BF chip (obviously a very rough calc and only applies to this specific scenario).

You still cannot even explain,why the time has gone down from 180 minutes to 50 minutes. None of your calculations account for that,as it makes the IB Core i7 a couple of times faster. So no it is not destroying especially since Turbo on first generation Core i7 CPUs was extremely conservative. That is why socket 1155 Core i7 CPUs could match them as they tended to have more aggressive Turbo.

Moreover you are on ignoring this page you linked to:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/C/C/334812/original/lame.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/C/7/334807/original/itunes.png

Look at the first 4 CPUs,one IB CPU ,two SB CPUs and a single SB-E CPU. There is hardly an IPC increase,especially when you consider the margin of error too in these measurements.

The Core i7 3930K has less L3 cache per core than a Core i7 3820 and even then,it is more likely TH had an example which was not running at max Turbo,ie,probably a high VID example or insufficient cooling.

Even using your best case scenario, that would 60% faster overall,which is not the same as going from 180 minutes to 50 minutes.

The only such massive performance improvements are seen in software which can use things like AVX and AES-NI,ie,new instruction sets.

Certainly not a scientific test - but a couple of posters have said that it is a single threaded process... looking at the OP screenshots, the CPU is maxed and running at least 6 Instances of the MP3 Convert...

Therefore the gains are going to be fairly pronounced e.g. 8 Threads (4 Physical / 4 Logical) all 1Ghz faster than the old I7.

However....

Based on rough calculations... Old I7 would do 5.55 MP3s/ per thread per minute (8000/180/8), 3770k would be 20 MP3s/per thread per minute (8000/50/8)... almost a 4 Increase in throughput?

It could be something as simple as a new version of Foobar was installed on the new rig, and is configured differently to make better use of SMP.....

You get it. Where is this massive increase in speed coming from?? If it is not from the usage of new instruction sets,it does make me think what is happening here.

I agree with the software version. If you look at HandBrake for example,the changes between the last three versions have been huge and significantly changed the way it interacts with CPUs.

This is also an important point when it comes to reviews. Using old versions of software can skew results easily and have no relevance to actual usage patterns.
 
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